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Topic: People who go to Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée...

Grand Father Darius !t2zoSINPdk started this discussion 1 week ago #74,327

...and order French fries with ketchup and a Bud Light™. Discuss.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #881,103

Ohh, what are the fries like? Are they EXTRA CRISPY from the secret menu?

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 15 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,114

Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée

Reviewed February 22, 2018 via mobile
Bitter experience with bitter tastes


We visited many michelin star restaurants in cities around the world. So we were looking forward to the dinner at Alain Ducasse, thinking that it will be one of the highlights of our gastronomic experiences.

Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bitter experience from start to finish.

Let's start with the dinning room. Don't be mislead by the pictures on the web site. The dining room looks like a standard hall in the hotel that reminds you of those places that are set up for a business conference. No decoration on the bare walls. No colors anywhere. Tables without tablecloth and chairs that remind you of IKEA. We are talking here about the ones with the fake semi-leather top and narrow U shape metal frame support. Overall The place looked like it was setup in an improvised way an hour before we arrived. Tables were widely spaced which is usually a good thing but our table was so far away that it felt almost neglected. The colors are dull, mostly greys and quite depressive and lighting is low. The only element that looked nice were the big Chandeliers and the high ceiling.

All this "undertone" was probably intended as a "unique design idea" of some "minimalism". The end result is a uninspiring dining room that feels like a standard chain hotel dining space.

And still we were thinking that maybe we did not "get it" about their design concept so were willing to leave that impression aside and let the food speak for itself.

But as it quickly became clear, this place is consistent in the experience it provides.

We were asked if we would like to get an explanation about the tasting menu or we would prefer to be "surprised" by the Chefs creations. And indeed surprise it was and not a good one. Keep reading...

The dinner started with bread and butter that was just nothing but remarkable, a single bulky butter presented on a low end wood board. The breads were not worm and did not have any interesting variety or tastes.

Then we received tiny bits of "crackers" that had a chunk of anchovy on them. This had a very strong fishy taste and was very oily. The source of it was not disclosed but it was nothing that you would not be able to buy in a can at the local supermarket. Strong fishy taste in the beginning of a 7 course meal is a bad idea as it inmediately masks the taste of the food that will follow. Aside from that, starting a romantic dinner with that strong fishy taste and smell in your mouth is another bad idea and they have not thought about that.

The next thing that arrived was a very tiny Leak root with some mayonnaise like dressing. It was explained in detail how special it is supposed to be. It looked cooked to death and very uninspiring but its most striking feature was a very bitter taste that made us both put it aside. It left a very bitter taste that did not go away for a long time.

At this point we were already talking to each other about our disappointment so far.

We then got a bowl with a lot of liquid in which 2 little scallops were practicing their swim. The bowl had the look of something that was bought in china town area - very cheap thin wood and the scallops had almost no taste. Few tired overcooked vegetables were added to the broth that again had a lite bitter tone to it.

Another low light dish came fast. It was a kind of Cauliflower pie that was explained to have 2 types of special cheeses. It was dry with no cheeses to be felt anywhere and again had a bitter taste that continued the bitter tastes parade of previous dishes. The presentation of this dish was also very low. It was wrapped in what seemed to be a crashing tempura that committed a suicide. The plate was again dull in appearance and the dish had a similarly biter taste.


Next came few tiny pieces of Lobster that was again swimming in a kind of broth but looked almost like a soup. We are not strangers to the idea of adding liquids at the table as the sauce makes all the difference. But in this restaurant they grossly over do it and the food ends up swimming in watery soup. The liquids did not upgrade the taste of the dishes. In fact they they downgraded it. Again to our surprise this dish had the same bitter taste and it seemingly came from the broth. The lobster pieces were extremely small for a tasting menu and was it had a bland taste. The sea of dark brown liquid around it made it looks even less appealing as it seemed and tasted like watery beef stock. The presentation was low as previous dishes, lacking any inspiring ideas or colors. The color of the food was consistently dark throughout all dishes so far. With the low lighting, it felt depressing to eat.

We were still expecting some kind of a "main course" so far it was just very little pieces of the lobster and the tiny two scallops

However then arrived the last dish - it was a bowl of Black rice that as they explained had morning cereals in it (?!) (at least it was not made out of plastic) and then few chopped tiny bits of what might have been scallops or squid. It wad unrecognizable. And overall a small quantity. Maybe a half a teaspoon in total of those little bits. The choice of a bowl of rice to end the meal was strange, as if they realized that what we ate so far was not enough. The rice had a bland taste and we put it aside.

Time for deserts...

We got two of them to share. The first was a bowl of fruit salad with whipped cream. The fruits were cut in little pieces and have been drowned in the syrop. They felt and tasted like a canned fruit salad. The whipped cream had the same sweet taste of what you can buy for 2 euros in the supermarket. It was a disgraceful desert with zero attention to presentation, clearly made of low quality ingredients.

The second one was a kind of peanut butter ice cream on top of what seemed to be a spongy cake. It was presented in a bowl (as all other dishes, plates seem to be banned in this place) It was not so by itself bad but again lacked any inspiration in its look or taste.

This is obviously a very negative review and you may think that we have no experience in what a "real Michelin star expeience is all about" so maybe we havd d missed the grand idea behind a wonderful concept...

We have been to over 25 restaurants of very high level last year alone and are very familiar with the ideas behind a tasting menu and high quality food and its presentation. This this review comes from a broad perspective and a comparison with other restaurants that we visited.

The menu here is just badly designed, it is un-balanced in its ideas, tastes (it seems to repeat the same flavors in many of the dishes and has made a bad choice in including several bitter ingredients like leak and cauliflower or too strong ones like Anchovy at the wrong time (start of meal). It also lacked in quantity and had no meaningful order. The excessive pouring of liquids in all dishes ruined the presentation and the food has to be hunted with a spoon from the water. The use of cheap dark bowls throught was also a bad choice that lowered the level. Food color was consistently dark throughout all dishes.

We do not think that they just had a bad night when we visited. The menu and the place were consistent and tried to implement a certain concept of being "something else". It is indeed something else but in a bad way.

Throughout the meal the service was reasonably good but they never asked us if we liked the food, not even when we got the bill and left.

We had only 2 glasses of wine and a bill of 900 Euro sealed the bitter deal. This was not a surprise as we knew it before booking so everything written above is unrelated to the price. Even for 100 euro per person, this place is not worth visiting.

Overall this dinner ranked the lowest of all good restaurants we visited in Paris regardless of the crazy price. Just by way of comparison, to name a few, our lunch at Le Gabriel or dinner at Louiseau Rive Gauche were memorable experiences.

It is unfortunate that with the brand name of a famous chef a restaurant can offer such a low experience and keep going with it while charging those obscene prices.


Anonymous B replied with this 1 week ago, 53 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,116

@previous (C)

> Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée
>
>
Reviewed February 22, 2018 via mobile
> Bitter experience with bitter tastes
>
>
> We visited many michelin star restaurants in cities around the world. So we were looking forward to the dinner at Alain Ducasse, thinking that it will be one of the highlights of our gastronomic experiences.
>
> Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bitter experience from start to finish.
>
> Let's start with the dinning room. Don't be mislead by the pictures on the web site. The dining room looks like a standard hall in the hotel that reminds you of those places that are set up for a business conference. No decoration on the bare walls. No colors anywhere. Tables without tablecloth and chairs that remind you of IKEA. We are talking here about the ones with the fake semi-leather top and narrow U shape metal frame support. Overall The place looked like it was setup in an improvised way an hour before we arrived. Tables were widely spaced which is usually a good thing but our table was so far away that it felt almost neglected. The colors are dull, mostly greys and quite depressive and lighting is low. The only element that looked nice were the big Chandeliers and the high ceiling.
>
> All this "undertone" was probably intended as a "unique design idea" of some "minimalism". The end result is a uninspiring dining room that feels like a standard chain hotel dining space.
>
> And still we were thinking that maybe we did not "get it" about their design concept so were willing to leave that impression aside and let the food speak for itself.
>
> But as it quickly became clear, this place is consistent in the experience it provides.
>
> We were asked if we would like to get an explanation about the tasting menu or we would prefer to be "surprised" by the Chefs creations. And indeed surprise it was and not a good one. Keep reading...
>
> The dinner started with bread and butter that was just nothing but remarkable, a single bulky butter presented on a low end wood board. The breads were not worm and did not have any interesting variety or tastes.
>
> Then we received tiny bits of "crackers" that had a chunk of anchovy on them. This had a very strong fishy taste and was very oily. The source of it was not disclosed but it was nothing that you would not be able to buy in a can at the local supermarket. Strong fishy taste in the beginning of a 7 course meal is a bad idea as it inmediately masks the taste of the food that will follow. Aside from that, starting a romantic dinner with that strong fishy taste and smell in your mouth is another bad idea and they have not thought about that.
>
> The next thing that arrived was a very tiny Leak root with some mayonnaise like dressing. It was explained in detail how special it is supposed to be. It looked cooked to death and very uninspiring but its most striking feature was a very bitter taste that made us both put it aside. It left a very bitter taste that did not go away for a long time.
>
> At this point we were already talking to each other about our disappointment so far.
>
> We then got a bowl with a lot of liquid in which 2 little scallops were practicing their swim. The bowl had the look of something that was bought in china town area - very cheap thin wood and the scallops had almost no taste. Few tired overcooked vegetables were added to the broth that again had a lite bitter tone to it.
>
> Another low light dish came fast. It was a kind of Cauliflower pie that was explained to have 2 types of special cheeses. It was dry with no cheeses to be felt anywhere and again had a bitter taste that continued the bitter tastes parade of previous dishes. The presentation of this dish was also very low. It was wrapped in what seemed to be a crashing tempura that committed a suicide. The plate was again dull in appearance and the dish had a similarly biter taste.
>
>
> Next came few tiny pieces of Lobster that was again swimming in a kind of broth but looked almost like a soup. We are not strangers to the idea of adding liquids at the table as the sauce makes all the difference. But in this restaurant they grossly over do it and the food ends up swimming in watery soup. The liquids did not upgrade the taste of the dishes. In fact they they downgraded it. Again to our surprise this dish had the same bitter taste and it seemingly came from the broth. The lobster pieces were extremely small for a tasting menu and was it had a bland taste. The sea of dark brown liquid around it made it looks even less appealing as it seemed and tasted like watery beef stock. The presentation was low as previous dishes, lacking any inspiring ideas or colors. The color of the food was consistently dark throughout all dishes so far. With the low lighting, it felt depressing to eat.
>
> We were still expecting some kind of a "main course" so far it was just very little pieces of the lobster and the tiny two scallops
>
> However then arrived the last dish - it was a bowl of Black rice that as they explained had morning cereals in it (?!) (at least it was not made out of plastic) and then few chopped tiny bits of what might have been scallops or squid. It wad unrecognizable. And overall a small quantity. Maybe a half a teaspoon in total of those little bits. The choice of a bowl of rice to end the meal was strange, as if they realized that what we ate so far was not enough. The rice had a bland taste and we put it aside.
>
> Time for deserts...
>
> We got two of them to share. The first was a bowl of fruit salad with whipped cream. The fruits were cut in little pieces and have been drowned in the syrop. They felt and tasted like a canned fruit salad. The whipped cream had the same sweet taste of what you can buy for 2 euros in the supermarket. It was a disgraceful desert with zero attention to presentation, clearly made of low quality ingredients.
>
> The second one was a kind of peanut butter ice cream on top of what seemed to be a spongy cake. It was presented in a bowl (as all other dishes, plates seem to be banned in this place) It was not so by itself bad but again lacked any inspiration in its look or taste.
>
> This is obviously a very negative review and you may think that we have no experience in what a "real Michelin star expeience is all about" so maybe we havd d missed the grand idea behind a wonderful concept...
>
> We have been to over 25 restaurants of very high level last year alone and are very familiar with the ideas behind a tasting menu and high quality food and its presentation. This this review comes from a broad perspective and a comparison with other restaurants that we visited.
>
> The menu here is just badly designed, it is un-balanced in its ideas, tastes (it seems to repeat the same flavors in many of the dishes and has made a bad choice in including several bitter ingredients like leak and cauliflower or too strong ones like Anchovy at the wrong time (start of meal). It also lacked in quantity and had no meaningful order. The excessive pouring of liquids in all dishes ruined the presentation and the food has to be hunted with a spoon from the water. The use of cheap dark bowls throught was also a bad choice that lowered the level. Food color was consistently dark throughout all dishes.
>
> We do not think that they just had a bad night when we visited. The menu and the place were consistent and tried to implement a certain concept of being "something else". It is indeed something else but in a bad way.
>
> Throughout the meal the service was reasonably good but they never asked us if we liked the food, not even when we got the bill and left.
>
> We had only 2 glasses of wine and a bill of 900 Euro sealed the bitter deal. This was not a surprise as we knew it before booking so everything written above is unrelated to the price. Even for 100 euro per person, this place is not worth visiting.
>
> Overall this dinner ranked the lowest of all good restaurants we visited in Paris regardless of the crazy price. Just by way of comparison, to name a few, our lunch at Le Gabriel or dinner at Louiseau Rive Gauche were memorable experiences.
>
> It is unfortunate that with the brand name of a famous chef a restaurant can offer such a low experience and keep going with it while charging those obscene prices.
>
>
>


Stop doing that

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,119

@881,114 (C)

> Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée
>
>
Reviewed February 22, 2018 via mobile
> Bitter experience with bitter tastes
>
>
> We visited many michelin star restaurants in cities around the world. So we were looking forward to the dinner at Alain Ducasse, thinking that it will be one of the highlights of our gastronomic experiences.
>
> Unfortunately, it turned out to be a bitter experience from start to finish.
>
> Let's start with the dinning room. Don't be mislead by the pictures on the web site. The dining room looks like a standard hall in the hotel that reminds you of those places that are set up for a business conference. No decoration on the bare walls. No colors anywhere. Tables without tablecloth and chairs that remind you of IKEA. We are talking here about the ones with the fake semi-leather top and narrow U shape metal frame support. Overall The place looked like it was setup in an improvised way an hour before we arrived. Tables were widely spaced which is usually a good thing but our table was so far away that it felt almost neglected. The colors are dull, mostly greys and quite depressive and lighting is low. The only element that looked nice were the big Chandeliers and the high ceiling.
>
> All this "undertone" was probably intended as a "unique design idea" of some "minimalism". The end result is a uninspiring dining room that feels like a standard chain hotel dining space.
>
> And still we were thinking that maybe we did not "get it" about their design concept so were willing to leave that impression aside and let the food speak for itself.
>
> But as it quickly became clear, this place is consistent in the experience it provides.
>
> We were asked if we would like to get an explanation about the tasting menu or we would prefer to be "surprised" by the Chefs creations. And indeed surprise it was and not a good one. Keep reading...
>
> The dinner started with bread and butter that was just nothing but remarkable, a single bulky butter presented on a low end wood board. The breads were not worm and did not have any interesting variety or tastes.
>
> Then we received tiny bits of "crackers" that had a chunk of anchovy on them. This had a very strong fishy taste and was very oily. The source of it was not disclosed but it was nothing that you would not be able to buy in a can at the local supermarket. Strong fishy taste in the beginning of a 7 course meal is a bad idea as it inmediately masks the taste of the food that will follow. Aside from that, starting a romantic dinner with that strong fishy taste and smell in your mouth is another bad idea and they have not thought about that.
>
> The next thing that arrived was a very tiny Leak root with some mayonnaise like dressing. It was explained in detail how special it is supposed to be. It looked cooked to death and very uninspiring but its most striking feature was a very bitter taste that made us both put it aside. It left a very bitter taste that did not go away for a long time.
>
> At this point we were already talking to each other about our disappointment so far.
>
> We then got a bowl with a lot of liquid in which 2 little scallops were practicing their swim. The bowl had the look of something that was bought in china town area - very cheap thin wood and the scallops had almost no taste. Few tired overcooked vegetables were added to the broth that again had a lite bitter tone to it.
>
> Another low light dish came fast. It was a kind of Cauliflower pie that was explained to have 2 types of special cheeses. It was dry with no cheeses to be felt anywhere and again had a bitter taste that continued the bitter tastes parade of previous dishes. The presentation of this dish was also very low. It was wrapped in what seemed to be a crashing tempura that committed a suicide. The plate was again dull in appearance and the dish had a similarly biter taste.
>
>
> Next came few tiny pieces of Lobster that was again swimming in a kind of broth but looked almost like a soup. We are not strangers to the idea of adding liquids at the table as the sauce makes all the difference. But in this restaurant they grossly over do it and the food ends up swimming in watery soup. The liquids did not upgrade the taste of the dishes. In fact they they downgraded it. Again to our surprise this dish had the same bitter taste and it seemingly came from the broth. The lobster pieces were extremely small for a tasting menu and was it had a bland taste. The sea of dark brown liquid around it made it looks even less appealing as it seemed and tasted like watery beef stock. The presentation was low as previous dishes, lacking any inspiring ideas or colors. The color of the food was consistently dark throughout all dishes so far. With the low lighting, it felt depressing to eat.
>
> We were still expecting some kind of a "main course" so far it was just very little pieces of the lobster and the tiny two scallops
>
> However then arrived the last dish - it was a bowl of Black rice that as they explained had morning cereals in it (?!) (at least it was not made out of plastic) and then few chopped tiny bits of what might have been scallops or squid. It wad unrecognizable. And overall a small quantity. Maybe a half a teaspoon in total of those little bits. The choice of a bowl of rice to end the meal was strange, as if they realized that what we ate so far was not enough. The rice had a bland taste and we put it aside.
>
> Time for deserts...
>
> We got two of them to share. The first was a bowl of fruit salad with whipped cream. The fruits were cut in little pieces and have been drowned in the syrop. They felt and tasted like a canned fruit salad. The whipped cream had the same sweet taste of what you can buy for 2 euros in the supermarket. It was a disgraceful desert with zero attention to presentation, clearly made of low quality ingredients.
>
> The second one was a kind of peanut butter ice cream on top of what seemed to be a spongy cake. It was presented in a bowl (as all other dishes, plates seem to be banned in this place) It was not so by itself bad but again lacked any inspiration in its look or taste.
>
> This is obviously a very negative review and you may think that we have no experience in what a "real Michelin star expeience is all about" so maybe we havd d missed the grand idea behind a wonderful concept...
>
> We have been to over 25 restaurants of very high level last year alone and are very familiar with the ideas behind a tasting menu and high quality food and its presentation. This this review comes from a broad perspective and a comparison with other restaurants that we visited.
>
> The menu here is just badly designed, it is un-balanced in its ideas, tastes (it seems to repeat the same flavors in many of the dishes and has made a bad choice in including several bitter ingredients like leak and cauliflower or too strong ones like Anchovy at the wrong time (start of meal). It also lacked in quantity and had no meaningful order. The excessive pouring of liquids in all dishes ruined the presentation and the food has to be hunted with a spoon from the water. The use of cheap dark bowls throught was also a bad choice that lowered the level. Food color was consistently dark throughout all dishes.
>
> We do not think that they just had a bad night when we visited. The menu and the place were consistent and tried to implement a certain concept of being "something else". It is indeed something else but in a bad way.
>
> Throughout the meal the service was reasonably good but they never asked us if we liked the food, not even when we got the bill and left.
>
> We had only 2 glasses of wine and a bill of 900 Euro sealed the bitter deal. This was not a surprise as we knew it before booking so everything written above is unrelated to the price. Even for 100 euro per person, this place is not worth visiting.
>
> Overall this dinner ranked the lowest of all good restaurants we visited in Paris regardless of the crazy price. Just by way of comparison, to name a few, our lunch at Le Gabriel or dinner at Louiseau Rive Gauche were memorable experiences.
>
> It is unfortunate that with the brand name of a famous chef a restaurant can offer such a low experience and keep going with it while charging those obscene prices.
>
>
>


tl;dr

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 15 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,120

@881,116 (B)
Clearly you failed to read that from top to bottom.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,127

@previous (E)
Is it even possible to read all that? Trying to pay attention as some douche drones on about colors in a room and food has to be right up there to listening to some stranger tell you about the dream they had last night.

Meta joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,129

Almost as bad as people who get masters degrees and end up being GED tutors and working at Subway.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,130

@previous (Meta)

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 17 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,149

@881,120 (E)

> Clearly you failed to read that from top to bottom.

> (at least it was not made out of plastic)
STOP DOING THIS

Anonymous I double-posted this 1 week ago, 49 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #881,152

@881,127 (F)
I read the whole thing and hate myself for it
also they spent 900 euro
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