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Topic: ESRB says Loot Boxes are not gambling.

Anonymous A started this discussion 1 week ago #67,074

“ESRB does not consider loot boxes to be gambling,” said an ESRB spokesperson in an e-mail to Kotaku. “While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #821,850

shit box

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 11 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #821,854

To be honest buying packs of trading cards is essentially gambling. It's the same experience as betting on black or hitting on 17 or whatever. If casinos started hanging out "compensation chips" that were worth 1 penny to anyone who lost at a casino game, no one would think "well they were guaranteed one cent back so it wasn't gambling."

I think this honestly can only be solved via legislation. Companies make too much money off microtransactions to stop of their own accord and they are ruining the quality of games by warping design to be about what's the most profitable way to build a game rather than what's the most fun way.

Richard Garfield, the creator of MTG, had an idea where basically companies could sell dlc/microtransactions but once a consumer spent a certain amount, something like $250, everything in game becomes unlocked. A lot of companies make money off "whales", people who will spend thousands or tens of thousands of dollars buying packs/loot boxes/in game currency etc. Coincidentally, this is also how online poker sites make money. Most people win or lose small amounts of money in online poker. The way you win big pots is essentially you have wealthy (or not wealthy but gambling addicted) people betting (and losing because they're bad) huge sums of money. Curbing companies exploiting what is essentially a gambling addiction seems right to me.

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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 32 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #821,874

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

I think companies that exploit gambling addictions on Freemium games should not only be tolerated, but applauded for their efforts.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #821,875

like treasure boxes in runescape..

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #821,877

@previous (E)
but it's overwatch and the boxes only have cosmetics

squeegee joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #821,879

it would be more honest if they just sold loot for set prices. if people have to spend hundreds of dollars to rng into gear then it would be more honest of them to just sell desireable loot for high prices. sure, it would stink even more of pay-to-win but at least people don't have to worry about gambling addictions ruining them.

too bad battlefront 2 is going paid loot boxes of useful items instead of just cosmetics. i would have bought it, but now i'm probably going to ignore this one too. it's unethical imo, and ruining gaming in general. shit needs to stop.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,895

@821,854 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
This is a Quality Post.

Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,898

i think stealing money from nerds is the right thing to do

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 1 week ago, 38 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,906

I change my opinion to @previous (F)

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 38 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,909

@821,854 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
With physical card games you at least can sell shit you don't want. The only thing you can do in video games to get the item you want is just to spend more on lootboxes.

Also it's basically paid for cheats

Anonymous I double-posted this 1 week ago, 56 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,911

@821,879 (squeegee)
You can purchase actual invulnerability for when you play as Vader in that gameñ

squeegee joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,925

@previous (I)
the fuck. that's not fake news? jesus christ. it's like they think people paying full price for games are just fodder for whales to abuse. i won't be paying them a dollar to get my ass handed to me by retards with invulnerability.

Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 36 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,936

@previous (squeegee)
As I understand it there is a damage reduction effect you can buy and level 4 is 100% damage reduction

Meta joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,939

@821,879 (squeegee)

> it would be more honest if they just sold loot for set prices. if people have to spend hundreds of dollars to rng into gear then it would be more honest of them to just sell desireable loot for high prices. sure, it would stink even more of pay-to-win but at least people don't have to worry about gambling addictions ruining them.
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> too bad battlefront 2 is going paid loot boxes of useful items instead of just cosmetics. i would have bought it, but now i'm probably going to ignore this one too. it's unethical imo, and ruining gaming in general. shit needs to stop.

So this is the new direction gaming is going in? Not even DLC or IAP but now you have to buy loot crates with just a chance of getting the item you want?!?

God damn.

squeegee replied with this 1 week ago, 43 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #821,964

@previous (Meta)
as i understand it there are two big name games, battlefront 2 and Shadows of War (never heard of it tbh) that have decided to do paid loot crates that contain game items rather than cosmetics. it is kind of a new direction, usually if the game has paid loot boxes they contain only cosmetic items. including usables and weapons and abilities is the worst kind of microtransaction horseshit brought over from the rip-off mobile gaming market that makes fuck loads of money off really, really shitty little games.

and i'm betting that it's not only paid loot crates, but also paid DLC and i wouldn't be surprised if they sold cosmetic items as IAP. it would be the holy trifecta of microtransactions.

and what sucks is that no matter how many gamers agree and will hold the same exact sentiments, it doesn't matter, everyone's like, "oh yeah, but i mean it's battlefront, so, i mean i can't not get it," and they'll still make fuck loads of money off of it even though fans despise the business practices.

and they don't even pretend to not be locking out content anymore, gamestop was advertizing their prepurchase as unblocking blocked content, rather than unlocking extra content. it's a subtle distinction, but they've dropped all pretense. if you want the whole game with all the content its going to cost you a physical gamestop prepurchase copy, a physical collectors edition, a digital steam edition, hundreds of dollars in microtransactions and a few hundred more collecting gamecodes from the eventual trading card packs. and that'll be just to unlock all the shit that'll keep you from getting absolutely stomped on for the first 10 or 20 hours of gameplay. or more since you're going to get butt raped for so long.

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Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 59 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #822,001

@previous (squeegee)
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