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Topic: las vegas attack

squeegee started this discussion 2 weeks ago #66,692

anyone else see this yet?

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/73qyvh/active_shooters_at_mandalay_bay_las_vegas/?sort=new
https://www.reddit.com/live/zpctrtpkt0hw/
http://news3lv.com/live

police scanner:
https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/21038/web

it's fucking chaos. one suspect down. machine gun fire at several casinos, many reported dead. multiple suspects.

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Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 9 minutes later[^] [v] #818,984

(Reuters) - Las Vegas police said early on Monday they were investigating reports of an active shooter at the Mandalay Bay Casino on the city’s famous strip.

One Twitter user posted that the hotel was on lockdown, while another, citing police scanners, posted there were two shooters on the 32nd floor of the hotel who had shot at a bodyguard and police. Authorities could not be reached to confirm those details.

squeegee (OP) replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,985

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
i've been listening to the police scanner. if you haven't watched the videos there're several where you hear extended periods of automatic gunfire. shots fired being reported all over the place. some were never confirmed, and the police have been calling things "diversions." it may be wrapping up though, idk, they report at least one suspect down. no idea how many shooters there are, may be just the two confirmed. one suspect down as of right now, says the police scanner.

squeegee (OP) double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,986

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/new-isis-video-appears-to-threaten-las-vegas/493629912

huh.

squeegee (OP) triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,988

oh my god. NSFL. automatic fire sprayed into the crowed at a concert from an elevated position. over. and over. and over.

https://twitter.com/spacetrek9/status/914738099887861760

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 2 weeks ago, 15 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,989

(Reuters) - At least two people died early on Monday and 24 were hospitalized with suspected gunshots wounds in Las Vegas, a local hospital spokesman said, as police investigated reports of an active shooter in the city.

squeegee (OP) replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,990

jesus christ. close up audio of the gunfire from just outside the mandalay bay hotel

https://twitter.com/abbytheodros/status/914735456943607808

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,991

See, if everyone in the crowd was also packing automatic rifles then this would never have happened.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,993

@previous (C)
Probably would've been a lot worse.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 2 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #818,994

"look out, he's got a gun" *everyone whips out gun while looking for the guy with the gun*

Anonymous C replied with this 2 weeks ago, 48 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #818,996

Guys I was being sarcastic

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #818,997

I heard about this from the local news.

@818,991 (C)
I fail to see how this would resolve such an issue and not cause more chaos.

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #818,998

Holy shit, there was apparently shots fired at the New York, New York Hotel & Casino now.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #818,999

@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)

Don't worry. I'm sure these people are all crisis actors.

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 2 weeks ago, 37 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #819,000

@previous (F)
How the fuck are they crisis actors? Also, they are unsure if there were shots fired at that hotel, they are going to investigate it.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #819,001

I hope no one blames Islam. Remember Islam is a religion of peace.

The real victims here are Muslims who face discrimination when people incorrectly blame Islam.

Did you know Muslims are more likely to be the victims of terrorism then anyone else?

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 2 weeks ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,002

@previous (G)
And ABC7 already made the connection between the active shooter and ISIL websites.

Also, the Quran does have a lot of fucked up shit in it.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,014

@818,997 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)

Look at literally the post above yours, fool.

Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 20 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,019

Shooter named as 64 year old Stephen Paddock.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,033

@819,001 (G)
svetpost rating: 8/10

kook !!OPZbEQMT1 joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,101

58 dead 515 injured

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk replied with this 2 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,105

@previous (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)

I think the tragedy of today will be buried under the miasma of anger, hatred and bile that the American culture war always leaves behind. How about you?

Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,110

@819,101 (kook !!OPZbEQMT1)

Look it's already happening! So fast!

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 59 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,111

@819,105 (Stoic Sam !zQ8ry.WSMk)
Funeral parlour's - Grave Diggers - Casket makers - Headstone makers - Hospital workers on overtime pay.
Always a positive side for just another point of view.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 2 weeks ago, 15 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,124

@819,001 (G)
where's your "called it" post, you totally got it right, tiger

Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,125

Ken Burn's Vietnam documentary concluded earlier. I wonder if he was a vet

Anonymous I replied with this 2 weeks ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,132

@819,111 (K)
Mass Killing's in Las Vegas and Taco Bell Burrito's

squeegee (OP) replied with this 2 weeks ago, 5 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #819,235

> A modified bump stock rifle was also found, which allows a gun to simulate rapid automatic gunfire.

there it is. from the audio of the rifle fire you can hear a slightly uneven cadence to the rate of fire, sounds exactly like what you'd expect from a bump stock. betting this modified rifle, legally modified rifle more than likely, was his primary weapon. there are a lot of gun attachments and combos of attachment bans that make very little sense, such as not pairing a short barrel rifle with a stock and foregrip, when there are perfectly legit attachments that violate the spirit of what gun control laws are trying to accomplish.

bump stocks are dangerous, even the manufacturer admits that they are more dangerous than standard guns when handled negligently, and put fully automatic fire in the hands of anyone who can afford an AR style rifle (which often times are sold without the requirement for a background check since they are long rifles.) Common sense gun control would prevent bump stocks, or any other mod that simulates a fully automatic rate of fire from being sold without the same class 3 stamp required for silencers and fully automatic weaponry.

i'm betting we find that everything he had in that room was 100% legal and 100% common off-the-shelf and unrestricted items. the scale of this attack could have been prevented with a ban preventing him from owning a bump stock along with high capacity drum magazines. this attack would not have been nearly as bad as it was if not for the manufacturing and sale of these two attachments.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093

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squeegee joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #819,870

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-lasvegas-shooting-congress/u-s-republican-senator-seeks-probe-of-gun-devices-at-las-vegas-shooting-idUKKBN1C92UD?il=0

> John Cornyn, said on Wednesday that lawmakers should investigate “bump stock” accessories that turn some guns into rapid-fire weapons, after Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein called for Congress to ban the devices.

well, i can't argue a ban is a bad idea, but it feels like they're going to scapegoat the accessory and call it a day. it's a start i guess.

12 of the guns used were modded with bump stocks, btw.

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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #819,872

@previous (squeegee)
> but it feels like they're going to scapegoat the accessory and call it a day.
yup. like you said, guns aren't the issue - it's... uh... BUMP STOCKS! yeah, bump stocks.

Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #819,874

@previous (M)
modulated bmup stporks are killing peopel

squeegee replied with this 1 week ago, 14 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #819,881

@819,872 (M)
not having common sense guns laws is the problem.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 1 week ago, 9 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,051

"what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle." - Trump

I like miracles that don't leave dozens dead and hundreds wounded.

PS gun shops report major uptick in selling of bump stocks

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 11 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,156

@819,870 (squeegee)
Okay then. So bump stocks will be the obligatory sacrifice. Otherwise, Republicans are content to continue letting Americans die for guns. Heartless bastards.

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,157

@819,881 (squeegee)
The fact that boys are not being taught to be men is, in fact, the problem. Thanks.

Meta joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,190

I heard on NPR while I was driving someone saying that the event itself had really tight security. This makes me think of the Ariana Grande concert: terrorists are starting to circumvent event security entirely. Why bother trying to sneak a gun into the concert when you can just take pot shots from the comfort and safety of your 32nd floor hotel room?

This is great now too because Vegas hotels will have to implement TSA-style baggage checks at great expense and inconvenience to the 99.9999% of people who aren't mass shooters.

This Paddock guy obviously put a lot of planning into it. I haven't used a bump stock but from the videos I've seen it looks a bit tricky, that you have to hold the gun just right. I think something like a battery-powered electric motor with an eccentric cam to depress the trigger would be a better way to achieve "full auto" than a bump stock (and harder to ban because it would not be too hard to 3D print one - what are they going to do? ban electric motors and plastic???)

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squeegee (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 41 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,197

@previous (Meta)
there's already a device similar to that, it's a hand cranked cam that depresses the trigger as it rotates within the trigger guard. and people can make very powerful bombs out of fairly easy to obtain materials, but an inability to stop home made bombs isn't a good reason to not regulate and ban people from possessing c4 explosives or RPG rockets. the point is to stop the easy manufacture and sale and profiting off of items that effectively circumvent regulations. and you're right, bump stocks are tricky to use, there is a technique to making it even rapid fire, and it greatly reduces your accuracy because the gun is bouncing around and impossible to aim with precision. they are sold and regarded as novelties, and they have absolutely zero use in hunting and would be reckless to use for home defense. about the only thing they are good for is unloading very fast volleys of gunfire at large nonspecific targets, like crowds of people. they aren't even good to use to shoot at bottles and targets, the novelty is getting to know what it feels like to shoot a high rate of fire weapon. you need no license, no registration, and you can order them online. you don't even have to buy them at a gun store. no waiting period, nothing.

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 43 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,218

@previous (squeegee)
> the point is to stop the easy manufacture and sale and profiting off of items that effectively circumvent regulations.
I think once you've reached the point of "I'm going to shoot a rifle down into a crowd 300 yards away to kill as many people as possible" regulations don't matter much anymore. I don't think a bump stock ban would have inconvenienced Paddock much. He seemed pretty intelligent and would have been able to figure something out.

> and you're right, bump stocks are tricky to use, there is a technique to making it even rapid fire, and it greatly reduces your accuracy because the gun is bouncing around and impossible to aim with precision.
I think if bump stocks were really a an easy loophole to full-auto gangbangers would have adopted them decades ago.
> they are sold and regarded as novelties, and they have absolutely zero use in hunting and would be reckless to use for home defense. about the only thing they are good for is unloading very fast volleys of gunfire at large nonspecific targets, like crowds of people. they aren't even good to use to shoot at bottles and targets, the novelty is getting to know what it feels like to shoot a high rate of fire weapon. you need no license, no registration, and you can order them online. you don't even have to buy them at a gun store. no waiting period, nothing.
I can't think of any other mass shootings (or even non-mass shootings) that used bump stocks. It only worked in this one because there was a large crowd and accuracy didn't matter. Using a long gun in general makes things harder because it's harder to conceal and maneuver in tight quarters, hence why most killings use handguns.

They should just go full Clinton and ban barrel shrouds, pistol grips on rifles, and bayonet mounts while they're at it. Seriously why do you need a bayonet? It has no hunting or self defense value. Has anyone even used one since 1812?

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Meta double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,221

Oh and assault clips large capacity magazines too. You really need 30 shots to kill a deer? That's just sad, man.

squeegee (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,222

@820,218 (Meta)
if the alternative to banning bump stocks is to do nothing, then i will take the banning of bump stocks. i hope they throw high capacity drum magazines in too. imo they should go further.

Syntax replied with this 1 week ago, 26 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,223

@820,190 (Meta)
> This is great now too because Vegas hotels will have to implement TSA-style baggage checks at great expense and inconvenience to the 99.9999% of people who aren't mass shooters.

This will please Trump because it means lots of people will find new security job opportunities for of course close to minimum wage

Anonymous N replied with this 1 week ago, 8 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,227

@820,222 (squeegee)
The Republican Party should have the honesty to say that they don’t want to do anything about it. Eventually they are going to run out of scapegoats.

IMO, it would save a lot of time if they just came out and said “While we don’t like mass shootings, we think they are something America just has to live with”.

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,229

@820,222 (squeegee)
What would you like to see in gun laws? That is, if you could have any any law passed what would you like? At what point would you say "okay guns are regulated enough now, we can set this aside and move onto something else"?

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Syntax replied with this 1 week ago, 9 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,230

@820,227 (N)
Perhaps if this income item is in jeopardy because the Eu and other orgs internationally could cut USA off by warning their people to stay away from dangerous USA

expenditures by international visitors in the United States totaled $244.7 billion in 2016, yielding an $83.9 billion trade surplus for the year.

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,231

@820,222 (squeegee)
I mean to clarify what you like to see as the total, final, gun regulations? You can have anything you want but no further restriction in the future.

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Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 41 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,241

@820,230 (Syntax)
Thanks, Google!

squeegee (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,279

@820,229 (Meta)
oh, there's no sense in standing on some ideological hill, and besides, as trump would suggest when making a deal you don't start with your final offer. right now, today, i agree bumpstocks need to be off the table, and since we're discussing high capacity drum mags i agree they should be gone as well. other restrictions can be discussed on another day, when bump stocks and high capacity mags have been dealt with. then we can move on to something else and discuss it like civilized adults and find another area to compromise on. we don't need to erect strawmen out of irrelevant ideological differences and get into huge meta arguments about who has the best grand vision or plan for the country.

today we need to deal with bump stocks and high capacity mags.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 1 week ago, 22 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,282

@820,231 (Meta)
how bout we destroy the memory of what guns even are, just fuckin end it already

fuckin get rid of these fuckers, bomb them, shred them, what ever it takes

nothing less than complete erasure is enough for me at this point

tired of hearing that they exist

Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,320

He was probably going to bring that fertilizer up there with him and blow the elevator lobby before he started the shooting. He either ran out of time or didn't quite have the bomb making thing figured. If he would have blown that center core he would have been up there reloading and firing over an hour before the police ever managed to get up those stairs. He was in the last unit of the wing which had about a 20 inch concrete wall protecting one side for him. Concrete above and below him. Those cops would have had hell walking in right through that door and facing that kind of fire power. They caught a huge break by the guy killing himself when he did. Think an Apache military copter would have had better luck then swat would have. They knew the guy was dead before they went anywhere near that room. The only copter in that sky at the time gave them all the intel. Wasn't a circumstance of "these amazing hero's" again. The hotels out there should have at minimal a walk through metal detector at the entries. It isnt like a 1000 people are in lines going in at the same time. Not a delay or inconvenience. It's a huge mistake. After 9/11 there's no excuse for a guy to get that much fire power into a hotel room.

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,333

@820,279 (squeegee)
You want to ban guns. Just admit it.

squeegee (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,350

@previous (Meta)
i own more guns than probably anyone here

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,351

Meta in this thread reminds me of this

WSD !m2cp3rR5zw joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,352

Bump stocks should be given the treatment suppressors get: an approval process and a tax stamp.

Anonymous N replied with this 1 week ago, 27 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,358

@820,333 (Meta)
Can you admit that you’re just not bothered by mass shootings?

Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,361

@820,282 (Sheila LaBoof)
crazy talk..

Anonymous T double-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,365

@820,279 (squeegee)
Oh sure..
We will fight the government with slingshots and zipguns when the time comes...no problem..

Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 15 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,367

@820,351 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
lel

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,383

@820,361 (T)

> crazy talk..

fight crazy with crazy, but be crazy ten fold

TEN FOLD

Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 23 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,392

@820,218 (Meta)


>
> and bayonet mounts while they're at it. Seriously why do you need a bayonet? It has no hunting or self defense value. Has anyone even used one since 1812?

seems like it would be very useful hunting wild boar..
supposedly they will try to kill you if you wound them...by charging like thirty miles an hour straight for you with their four to six inch long 'tusks'..

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Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,393

@820,351 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
Cold comfort for the Peace Truck victims, that their families can get a check from the insurance company and the truck had to be registered.

Definitely makes me think twice before driving a box truck into a throng of pedestrians.

@820,358 (N)
Can you admit that you're not bothered by mass truck attacks?

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Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 24 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,394

@820,392 (U)

Uh that's why they invented boar lances...

Anonymous N replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,435

@820,393 (Meta)
Yeah, I didn’t think you were too bothered by it. They’re just numbers in a headline, right?

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,486

@previous (N)

> Yeah, I didn’t think you were too bothered by it. They’re just numbers in a headline, right?

It's complicated I think. I mean if you grieved every victim of every attack as a loved one you'd be a complete wreck psychologically. To some extent you have to block it out just like with 9/11, the Boston Marathon bombing and the Pulse nightclub shooting. What is the appropriate amount of paint to feel over something which hasn't directly affected anyone you know? It made me feel sad. When I heard the news I thought "that can't possibly be real? 500+ people shot? how?!".

I can see where you're coming from with the "you oppose banning the tool used to commit this attack therefore you have blood on your hands and implicitly condone future such attacks" line of reasoning. Okay so they'll ban bump stocks, and this specific kind of attack won't happen any more. Unless someone obtains one of the bump stocks that's already in existence. Or 3D prints one. But instead of a bump stock the next Stephen Paddock spends five minutes googling "how to make explosives" or gets some black powder and a pressure cooker, or rents a box truck and drives it into a pedestrian crowd, or flies a plane into a concert or something no one's even thought of yet.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 28 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,491

@previous (Meta)
If that is the case, then why have other countries not seen a corresponding jump in non-gun violence following gun restrictions or bans? Australia being the classic example with Port Arthur

Anonymous N replied with this 1 week ago, 40 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,503

@820,486 (Meta)
Okay, maybe they can google how to make an explosive or 3D print a shitty gun or bump stock, but it’s not that easy. You can’t just google explosives and be able to make a great bomb. If you could, then Islamic terrorists wouldn’t be so hamstrung by intelligence agencies cutting off their access to their bomb experts, which has resulted in several of their bombs malfunctioning or underperforming. And nothing out of a 3D printer is going to be as reliable or as effective as a real gun. The fact is that guns are the easiest to acquire and most effective killing tools out there.

Yes, cars are about as easy to get and also great at killing. But that shouldn’t change anything. Guns can be examined on their own.

But all that shit aside... I’m goddamn creeped out by this mindset of “well, there’s nothing we can do”. A few days ago Becky posted a link to some Onion articles that basically have Americans shrugging their shoulders over mass shootings. It’s goddamn creepy and wrong that that’s become a real thing and not a parody. Mass murders shouldn’t prompt a shrugging of the shoulders. Not in a first world country. Definitely not in what’s meant to be the best first world country.

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squeegee (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,504

@820,365 (T)
get off your giant straw-high horse, no one said that. specifically i said there's no reason to retreat to idealogical extremes and put words in each others mouths. how about you support why you think, if you do, that bump stocks should remain legal. same with high capacity magazines. let's be adults and not act like children who can't support their argument without relying on strawmen.

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,589

@820,503 (N)
If you were in my position (a thousand miles away, no family or friends in Vegas) how much pain would you feel about the Las Vegas attack?

Meta double-posted this 1 week ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,590

@820,503 (N)
> But all that shit aside... I’m goddamn creeped out by this mindset of “well, there’s nothing we can do”.
It is pretty fucked up. This morning I thought I thought about it and I realized "holy shit I'm basically living at the mercy of everyone around me". It's true, too. Walking on the sidewalk I have to trust that no one hits the gas and mounts the curb and mows me down. I have to trust that none of my co-workers are planning on a mass shooting at the office. I have to hope I won't get stabbed for my wallet and phone when I'm filling up my car with gas.

Meta triple-posted this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,593

@820,503 (N)
But keep in mind also that London mayor Sadiq Khan said terrorism is "part and parcel of living in a big city". This in a country which has pretty much banned private firearm ownership. Americans shrug over mass shootings and Europeans shrug over vehicular attacks.

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 18 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,596

@previous (Meta)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/29/misleading-qa-question-on-sadiq-khan-should-have-been-corrected-abc-admits

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Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,600

@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
How much grief did you feel at the Las Vegas shooting?

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 47 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,601

@previous (Meta)
all of it

Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,602

@previous (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)
More grief than anyone has ever felt about anything?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,605

@820,486 (Meta)

> > Yeah, I didn’t think you were too bothered by it. They’re just numbers in a headline, right?
>
> It's complicated I think. I mean if you grieved every victim of every attack as a loved one you'd be a complete wreck psychologically. To some extent you have to block it out just like with 9/11, the Boston Marathon bombing and the Pulse nightclub shooting. What is the appropriate amount of paint to feel over something which hasn't directly affected anyone you know? It made me feel sad. When I heard the news I thought "that can't possibly be real? 500+ people shot? how?!".
>
> I can see where you're coming from with the "you oppose banning the tool used to commit this attack therefore you have blood on your hands and implicitly condone future such attacks" line of reasoning. Okay so they'll ban bump stocks, and this specific kind of attack won't happen any more. Unless someone obtains one of the bump stocks that's already in existence. Or 3D prints one. But instead of a bump stock the next Stephen Paddock spends five minutes googling "how to make explosives" or gets some black powder and a pressure cooker, or rents a box truck and drives it into a pedestrian crowd, or flies a plane into a concert or something no one's even thought of yet.

lazy ass motherfucker you are, with your millennial "why bother" attitude, sitting there in your shorts

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,606

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Meta replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,609

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Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,610

@820,503 (N)
The ghost gunner cnc and the like will be easy, at home gun manufacturing in the future. Who cares about 3D printing guns when you can machine them at home from cast 80% lowers and ordering unrestricted spare parts

Anonymous U replied with this 1 week ago, 15 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,745

@820,491 (chili dog !!81dzJNNYL)

> If that is the case, then why have other countries not seen a corresponding jump in non-gun violence following gun restrictions or bans? Australia being the classic example with Port Arthur

One does not simply compare AMERICA...to other countries..


we go hard in the paint..

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,754

@previous (U)
Go hard huffing the paint, judging by you

Anonymous U replied with this 1 week ago, 18 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,775

@820,745 (U)
go take your pharmaceutical meth..

Anonymous M replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,777

@previous (U)
haha you cited yourself

Anonymous U replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,778

@previous (M)

> haha you cited yourself

hmm...some wishful thinking perhaps...I slept eleven hours and I'm still quite tired..

chili dog !!81dzJNNYL replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #820,816

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Amphetamine =/= methamphetamine
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