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Topic: The Left’s Support For Violent Groups Like Antifa Grow The Alt-Right.

Anonymous A started this discussion 4 months ago #64,859

Antifa was violent in Charlottesville. The hard left seems as hate filled as the alt right. Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.

It would be factually incorrect to ignore Antifa’s continuing role in the violent incidents that have now spread across the country. Because the Marxists in Antifa try to shut down free speech, they drive foolish people into the morally incorrect binary decision of supporting the alt-right, rather than loudly rejecting the ideology and violence of both sides.

I think Trump was right not to particularly single out either side in this case, because both were acting like hate-fueled terrorists. They are both cut from the same corrupt and moldy cloth.

The right disavows the alt right and white supremacists all the time. Over and over.
The left does not disavow antifa and BLM.

Don't forget that a black lives matter member shot at and killed cops at a rally in 2016. That act is as reprehensible as the recent car attack. Do these two acts represent the groups they were members of?

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 10 hours later[^] [v] #804,669

Yep

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #804,672

You both are faggots.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 33 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #804,678

k

squeegee joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 11 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #804,784

except that antifa is really a response to right wing violence, they didn't grow up together, one begat the other. i think it's disingenuous to say they are equal when one literally exists only as a response to the other side. also i've seen the left disavow antifa and BLM plenty, although usually in the case of BLM they disavow individuals, like the shooter, rather than the whole movement which hasn't been shown to extremists in the group sense. unlike the KKK and white supremacists who are responsible for several hundred deaths per year in various domestic attacks.

and i think plenty of centrists disavow both sides, i'm certainly not in antifa, blm, or the alt-right, and i think they're all fucking cunts, but i saw with my own eyes, and continue to watch today as the hard-right maneuvers around and positions itself to attack us, the people, and especially the weakest and least powerful in our society. and i watch as radical leftist groups respond in kind.

i don't like it, i disagree with all of it, but it's really fucking obvious what is flowing from where.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 2 weeks later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,265

@previous (squeegee)
Antifa are finally being called out for their violence by the media. There isn't a Nazi in sight and there is still violence at peaceful protests.

Sheila LaBoof joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 14 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,266

this is kind of boring though

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 3 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,296

@809,265 (A)
What a lacklustre reply to a well thought out post. At least put some effort in.

(Edited 9 seconds later.)

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,301

@previous (G)
You should try doing the same

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,311

@previous (A)
There's no need, squeegee has already laid out my viewpoint quite well. But your response of "Antifa is bad" is a weak counterpoint to his argument about increased leftist violence ultimately being a reaction to malicious far right actions.

This may be a problem of yours. You pump out these topics strawmanning and admonishing the left and its extreme factions, but seem to be wrongfooted when somebody writes a detailed rebuttal. In this topic, you had no real response to Anonymous G's critique of that biased news story.

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 8 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,316

@previous (G)
Okay, Bobby2Comix.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 9 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,318

@809,311 (G)
I didn't post in that topic. Is everyone the same person to you online?

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 5 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,321

@previous (A)
I'm not sure I believe you. The text voices and subject matters of the posts are quite similar.

Either way, you were certainly wrongfooted in this topic.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 8 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,323

@previous (G)
You are retarded if you think every anon is the same person. Like serious mental health issues, so I will likely not discuss this with you further than this.

The only time the alt right showed up was Charlottesville, antifa are there every time there is violence which is every other time there are peaceful protests and demonstrations. That is not a responder and it doesn't need italic emphasis. The media is finally reporting and acknowledging this fact.

The far left is the problem feeding the far right

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 3 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,324

@809,321 (G)
> text voices

TG2Sox confirmed.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 4 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,325

@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
Another autism flare up from the "everyone is a samefag" guy

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 13 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,328

@809,323 (A)
There is no need for childush name calling. You should try to keep your cool in these discussions.

Your idea that the alt-right is nearly always absent from protests while antifa is always in attendance is quite telling. You seem to perceive events in a way that downplays far-right activity while playing up leftist violence.

As before, you still have no real reply to the point about how major far-right activity is what caused groups like Antifa to develop more extreme members. They didn't seem to be at all significant before an authoritarian, nationalist administration got in.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 9 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,329

Conservatives are not authoritarian nationalists.

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 41 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,332

@previous (A)
Trump's faction is. They cannot stand it when democratic institutions like the free media and the vote inconvenience them. That's why Trump constantly tries to denounce the media and tried to lie about vote rigging.

But I can respect the moderate conservatives when they try to reign him in or denounce his extreme actions.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 10 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,333

> yea, were racist cunts, but have you seen those other guys?

lel

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 3 months ago, 37 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,340

@809,332 (G)

> They cannot stand it when corrupt institutions like the fake media and electoral fraud inconvenience them. That's why Trump constantly denounces fake news and tells the truth about vote rigging.

ftfy

(Edited 33 seconds later.)

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 3 months ago, 4 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,404

@809,323 (A)

> You are retarded if you think every anon is the same person. Like serious mental health issues, so I will likely not discuss this with you further than this.
>
> The only time the alt right showed up was Charlottesville, antifa are there every time there is violence which is every other time there are peaceful protests and demonstrations. That is not a responder and it doesn't need italic emphasis. The media is finally reporting and acknowledging this fact.
>
> The far left is the problem feeding the far right

a bunch of middle class college kids farting around until they get office jobs is hardly "far left"

stop buying into common bullshit terminology

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 7 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,406

@809,323 (A)

> You are retarded if you think every anon is the same person. Like serious mental health issues, so I will likely not discuss this with you further than this.
>
> The only time the alt right showed up was Charlottesville, antifa are there every time there is violence which is every other time there are peaceful protests and demonstrations. That is not a responder and it doesn't need italic emphasis. The media is finally reporting and acknowledging this fact.
>
> The far left is the problem feeding the far right

my God

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 32 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,423

> Some politicians and experts see antifa as vigilantes or even terrorists. Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguín last week suggested that they should be classified as a criminal street gang.

> “It’s glorified mob violence tied to an ideology,” Brian Levin, a criminology professor at Cal State San Bernardino who studies hate groups, said of antifa’s tactics.

This is growing the alt right. Every victim of antifa gets turned into a hero by Fox news. White supremacist groups are the ones getting the most out of this. The left leaning media is finally acknowledging who the thugs are, and that it's not helpful when they are violent.

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 31 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,431

@previous (A)
Finally, a post I can agree with. Yes, Antifa violence plays right into the hands of the far-right. It is so convenient for them to have a boogeyman to justify their own aggression.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 44 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,438

@previous (G)
The lefts support of antifa has grown the alt right. Read the damn headline.

Antifa caused $100k damage at Berkeley, to stop Milo yiannopoulos from speaking. That sort of activity should be condemned just as much as Nazis causing damage, but it isn't, so the alt right grows.

Milo is scheduled to speak there again. The alt right will be the good guys if antifa shows up again too. Milo is a provocateur and is manipulating the situation. Nazis win every time antifa shows up. The media coverage on the left and the right is finally recognizing this.

Now all that needs to happen is for the left to condem and distance themselves from this hate group, and treat them like the Nazis they are acting like.

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 3 months ago, 7 hours later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,612

@previous (A)

> The lefts support of antifa has grown the alt right. Read the damn headline.
>
> Antifa caused $100k damage at Berkeley, to stop Milo yiannopoulos from speaking. That sort of activity should be condemned just as much as Nazis causing damage, but it isn't, so the alt right grows.
>
> Milo is scheduled to speak there again. The alt right will be the good guys if antifa shows up again too. Milo is a provocateur and is manipulating the situation. Nazis win every time antifa shows up. The media coverage on the left and the right is finally recognizing this.
>
> Now all that needs to happen is for the left to condem and distance themselves from this hate group, and treat them like the Nazis they are acting like.

nah,

Sheila LaBoof double-posted this 3 months ago, 49 seconds later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,613

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)

> > The lefts support of antifa has grown the alt right. Read the damn headline.
> >
> > Antifa caused $100k damage at Berkeley, to stop Milo yiannopoulos from speaking. That sort of activity should be condemned just as much as Nazis causing damage, but it isn't, so the alt right grows.
> >
> > Milo is scheduled to speak there again. The alt right will be the good guys if antifa shows up again too. Milo is a provocateur and is manipulating the situation. Nazis win every time antifa shows up. The media coverage on the left and the right is finally recognizing this.
> >
> > Now all that needs to happen is for the left to condem and distance themselves from this hate group, and treat them like the Nazis they are acting like.
>
nah, I'd like them to murder every god damn nazi once and for all

THE FINAL SOLUTION

(Edited 14 seconds later.)

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 21 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,615

@previous (Sheila LaBoof)
Hey now, Nazis have dibs on the final solution for killing off a bunch of people they don't like.

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,646

@809,438 (A)
Do you think Donald Trump winning the presidency and sitting Steve Bannon on the national security council grew the alt right also? I just think it's weird how an alt right president got elected and now somehow it's left wing people's fault the alt right is emboldened.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 34 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,662

@previous (L)
You are confusing a Conservative President with the alt right. No one actually thinks he is Hitler because that is retarded, just that he is a stupid asshole. The right condemns Nazis and white supremacists. Over and over again. What they do is terrible, but what they say is protected. The left does not condemn antifa, or their terrible violent actions. This will grow the alt right and push right aligned people further towards the fringe.

The media is finally recognizing antifa as a hate group though, and noticing violence when there are no Nazis around. The spotlight is on the people causing the problem, finally.

If Nazis go around being violent and aren't condemned by the right, I'll blame that for the rise of left wing violent assholes too.

Anonymous L replied with this 3 months ago, 17 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,681

@previous (A)
I'm not confusing anything. He was at the very least incredibly sympathetic to the alt right, retweeting Nazis, bringing Bannon into the fold, who boasted that his news organization Breitbart was the "platform for the alt right". This culminated in him saying recently that there were "many fine people" at the neo Nazi rally in Charolettesville.

Again, somehow none of this is emboldening to the alt right, but when left wing radical groups violently oppose a child rape apologist's speech, somehow that makes people flock to the alt-right. I don't understand your position at all.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 5 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,687

@previous (L)
Violent acts should be condemned. They lead to more violence from the other side. How hard is that to understand?

Anonymous L replied with this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,689

@previous (A)
That's both not hard to understand and not really addressing anything I said.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 11 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,694

@previous (L)
> The Left’s Support For Violent Groups Like Antifa Grow The Alt-Right.

> Antifa was violent in Charlottesville. The hard left seems as hate filled as the alt right. Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.

> It would be factually incorrect to ignore Antifa’s continuing role in the violent incidents that have now spread across the country. Because the Marxists in Antifa try to shut down free speech, they drive foolish people into the morally incorrect binary decision of supporting the alt-right, rather than loudly rejecting the ideology and violence of both sides.

> I think Trump was right not to particularly single out either side in this case, because both were acting like hate-fueled terrorists. They are both cut from the same corrupt and moldy cloth.

> The right disavows the alt right and white supremacists all the time. Over and over.
> The left does not disavow antifa and BLM.

> Don't forget that a black lives matter member shot at and killed cops at a rally in 2016. That act is as reprehensible as the recent car attack. Do these two acts represent the groups they were members of?


Please address what I posted, and try, really try to condemn the violence committed.

Anonymous L replied with this 3 months ago, 11 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,697

@previous (A)
I did address it. I don't support political violence at all because it inevitably leads to violence as the primary method of resolving political disputes instead of arguments and elections. I just see a series of random assertions like
"Because the Marxists in Antifa try to shut down free speech, they drive foolish people into the morally incorrect binary decision of supporting the alt-right, rather than loudly rejecting the ideology and violence of both sides."
is that true? Does it just feel true to you? How am I supposed to evaluate it?

I see sentences like
"The right disavows the alt right and white supremacists all the time. Over and over.
The left does not disavow antifa and BLM"
which is just flatly not true for reasons I have explained already. Also see https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/30/pelosi-condemns-violent-actions-of-antifa-protesters/

I see weird equivocating between BLM, whose stated purpose is to reduce unjustifiable police violence against minorities, and neo Nazis, whose stated purpose is the ethnic cleansing of minorities. I don't see anything that resembles a good point or an argument that makes any sense.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,698

@previous (L)
Will you denounce antifa, and their violent acts?

Anonymous L replied with this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,702

@previous (A)
Yes. I don't see the relevance of doing that since the very first part of that post is me rejecting political violence in principle.

beckyderp !yDoooooooo joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 28 seconds later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,703

dongs

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,705

something's wrong with my weiner

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 2 hours later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,747

@809,662 (A)
No, OP. Trump is not just a conservative. He's far right. The alt-right does not have a hard-on for him because he's a moderate conservative, they like him because he pushes boundaries and has far-right policies.

Again, I think it's telling that you repeatedly focus on Antifa's actions, but totally downplay what Trump is doing to embolden rightist extremists.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 4 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,748

@previous (G)
You do know that antifa has now been designated as a terror group, don't you? Will you condemned their violence?

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 7 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,749

@previous (A)
Okay, so you're a troll...

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,751

@previous (G)
No. They have been classified as a terror group by the US government. Will you condemn them and their violence?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 3 months ago, 8 hours later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #809,925

@previous (A)

> No. They have been classified as a terror group by the US government. Will you condemn them and their violence?

if they kill the nazis, they should get a fuckin medal

Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 2 days later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #810,735

@809,751 (A)
@809,749 (G)
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

Anonymous G replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #810,745

@previous (N)
Will you condemn antifa violence?

Sheila LaBoof replied with this 3 months ago, 35 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #810,752

@previous (G)
yes it is far too mild for my taste

Anonymous D replied with this 2 months ago, 2 weeks later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,332

@809,265 (A)
@809,323 (A)
@809,694 (A)

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 months ago, 2 minutes later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,333

@809,311 (G)
@809,328 (G)
@809,332 (G)
@809,681 (L)
@809,697 (L)
These are quality posts

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo joined in and replied with this 2 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,354

@804,784 (squeegee)
Opposition to the right wing is what causes right wing violence. Thanks.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 months ago, 22 minutes later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,357

@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
lol 10/10 bud

Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo replied with this 2 months ago, 6 minutes later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,358

@previous (D)
It's just like how opposition to the left wing is what causes left wing violence. All members of both those ridiculous cults should be sent up the chimney. Thanks.

(Edited 21 seconds later.)

Anonymous D replied with this 2 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #816,409

@previous (Big Daddy Derek !Uvm54ORbmo)
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