Topic: Theresa May announces UK General Election for the 8th of June!
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx started this discussion 1 week ago#61,712
Theresa May has called a snap general election to be held on 8 June, despite repeatedly claiming she was against the idea of an early vote.
In a surprise statement outside Downing street, the prime minister said: “After the country voted to leave the EU, Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership. Since I became prime minister the government has delivered precisely that.”
She claimed Labour and the other opposition parties had opposed her. “The country is coming together but Westminster is not. Labour have threatened to vote against the final agreement we reach. The Lib Dems have said they want to grind the business of government to a standstill. Unelected members of the House of Lords have vowed to fight us every step of the way.”
May said she was laying down a motion in the House of Commons that will require two-thirds of MPs to back it.
The announcement came as a huge surprise, causing massive speculation on Tuesday morning.
Robert Hayward, the Conservative peer and election expert, said: “This is a massive surprise to everyone but the very closest confidants, even in the Tory party. There will be many very worried Labour MPs and some pleased Lib Dem candidates.”
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^][v]#778,890
@778,887 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx)
I do want my Brexit, but I disagree a lot with some of the Tories more authoritarian policies such as the Digital Economy Bill, Psychoactive Substances Act and Investigatory Powers Act. I am hoping, albeit it's probably not going to happen, for another Tory/Lib Dem coalition. The Lib Dems will keep some of the Tories more draconian laws in check, but I doubt they will have much say over Brexit. I do not want a solely Tory government. UKIP is a wasted vote now and Labour is just...
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 20 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#778,892
@778,890 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Totally agreed on those Tory policies you mentioned. I'm very uncomfortable with them too. Although, I take some comfort in knowing that the Tories are definitely still a centre-right party willing to make progressive overtures, and not a far-right party. So them being in wouldn't be a total disappointment, for me.
@778,888 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
How safe are we talking? Copeland had been Labour since like the 50s, but the Tories snagged that in a by-election. I reckon there'll be some surprise losses for Labour.
Svet !jzYkdX7lIw replied with this 1 week ago, 20 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,896
Yes because all unemployment comes from zero hours and muh benefits cutz. There is in fact real opportunity for those with the right skills. There are loads of job vacancies for construction, trades, service industry and even in theatre and corporate events. I've been offered several full time jobs and freelance work but the only reason you idiots go on about muh zero hours is because that's all your left wing reddit circle work goes on about because you're all aged around 20 in your parents home and only apply for work at sports direct. Numnuts
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,897
@previous (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
I think that anon makes a valid point, in that those unemployment numbers might be getting a boost from stuff like zero-hour contract and gig economy jobs like Deliveroo. And for some people, those kind of jobs are the only opportunities they have.
Granted, I'm not very knowledgable about jobs and the economy, so I won't try to add any more than that. But I do sense it's a valid point, to some extent.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,908
@778,890 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
One silver lining is that, if the election is a stomping for Labour as it probably will be, then it'll likely get rid of Corbyn. So we might get a more credible opposition leader out of it.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,911
Corbyn just can't win, m8. He's unpopular with the electorate, and is actively turning people off of Labour. Whether or not he's a good guy with good policies, the fact is that Labour is very unlikely to get into power with him in charge.
His successor could also be from the Labour left, so won't necessarily be a "Blairite". Whoever it is, I just hope they do a better job. The country needs a credible opposition especially now.
Sophie joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 28 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,915
*sigh* UKIP has lost relevance and other far-right nationalist parties have long since lost legitimacy or even the right to participate in the electoral campaign (BNP's failure to pay its registration comes to mind).
Consider me disenfranchised. @previous (I)
Lol fuck that stupid overeducated, underintelligent negress sow.
Sophie replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,918
They shouldn't have the right to use the 'Nationalist' in their name.
"Civic nationalism" is Fabio-Trotskyism disguised with vaguely ethnocentric jingoism at its most superficial. Fuck that shit.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 34 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,922
@778,890 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Maybe you should vote for a party who will get you to wipe your shitty British arse. @778,905 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
Lol. You really are a fucking spastic. Can't you even understand basic numbers? 5-10% is not nothing. @778,911 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx)
Cry more, millennial libtard. This is how democracy works :)
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,932
Like I said, his successor doesn't necessarily have to be a "Blairite". The new leader would be chosen by the Labour Party members, and they might go for someone on Labour's left once again.
But under Corbyn, Labour is not getting into power. His policies, no matter how much you might like them, aren't doing anything with Labour in perpetual opposition. Victory is required for Labour to do anything.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 38 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,960
can someone simplify this thread for us americans and let us know which ones are the republicans and which ones are the democrats it would help significantly. UKIP and Labor are obviously y'alls Libertarian and Green Party so their views don't matter at all and can be disregarded. i'm guessing the Lib Dems are the democrats and the tories are the republicans.
fuck those god damned tories. they're just the careless party of the rich and really want to take power away from ordinary citizens. so what is teresa may, is she a republican or a democrat?
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#778,974
Labour are more like your Democrats, in terms of success. Mostly it is either them or the Tories that win. The Lib Dems are one of the secondary (but not insignificant) parties in British politics.
UKIP is basically Trump but an entire political party. But now that Brexit is happening people have lost interest in them, thankfully.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 20 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#779,036
Ah, no, I just meant in terms of presence. The Tories and Labour are "the big two" of the UK, while the Republicans and Democrats are the "big two" of the US. And then Labour and the Democrats represent the left of their respective big twos.
I know there are probably lots of policy and ideological differences between Labour and the Democrats, but they fill similar roles in their respective countries. So it felt odd to me when Squeegee said that Labour were like the US Libertarian Party, who are a perpetual "third man" and don't really impact much.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#779,047
Haha, no way. The opposition party is comically weak right now, and the Tories are reaching some of their strongest leads in the polls. This is highly likely to be a comfortable win for the Conservatives, I assure you,
Theresa is doing this, partly, to strengthen her control over the Brexit process, in fact.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !!iNo3FkiZx (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 7 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#779,247
@779,198 (F) @779,241 (Svet !jzYkdX7lIw)
Well, I mean, getting people on benefits into work would be "wiping them out" in a sense.
I do believe that she could reach that level of status, yes. The polls show she generally favourable view of Theresa and her actions. All she has to do is get a Brexit deal that pleases most Brits, and I think she'll secure a strong legacy.
But, granted, Brexit is going to hurt the UK no matter what she does, and the NHS is already in a bad way. So securing long-term prosperity may be difficult.