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Topic: Trolling /lgbt/ with radical feminism.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q started this discussion 4.6 years ago #26,485

Is this a good idea?

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Poll option Votes Percentage Graph
Yes. 7 70%
No. 3 30%

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 50 seconds later[^] [v] #400,042

What do you mean exactly?

Cathy !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #400,046

Go for it, seems like it'll get some jimmies rustled.
What is your obsession with this board anyway?

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 56 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,048

I also think this is a worthwhile antic. Please carry it out and report back with pictures.

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 7 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,049

They did seem to be really worried that they'd be "hijacked by feminism". Sure, go for it. Be sure to share their replies.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 30 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,051

@400,042 (B)
You know, saying that the gay men can't handle the beautiful strong feminist woman, and calling them angry virgins. Shit like that.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 54 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,052

@400,046 (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
It's a new board, and it has kind of grown on me. But I see all the feminist trolls and they get 10+ replies and tend to rile everyone up.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 36 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,053

@400,051 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
No. Why would you do that? Gay people get enough shit.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 9 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,054

Post about how transwomen are pervert men who just wear a dress so they can get in the women's locker room and look at them changing.

Cathy !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,056

@400,052 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
The new board does seem perfect for a non-op transgender fat-positive butch lesbian such as yourself. ;)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,057

@400,053 (B)
Gay people tend to get cursed by water in the boot of their BMWs.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 55 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,058

@400,056 (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
You see? It's wonderful not having to live with CIS privilege, just by labeling myself.

Cathy !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,062

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh, some of the transgendered users seem to take offense to the "check your privilege" meme and sometimes refer to it as "tumblr shit".

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 28 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,064

@400,057 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
What does that mean? Are there no poor gays?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,065

@400,062 (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
It's usually the radfems that spout that shit.

Anonymous D replied with this 4.6 years ago, 28 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,066

@OP
I suggest going for the satire method. Acting like typical, angry and radical feminists, only to get other extremists to agree with your words. So that we may laugh at their predictable, inevitable behavior.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,067

@400,058 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Yep, now I'm calling myself a non gendered, otherkin. So they can suck it.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,068

@400,064 (B)
to4str is an impoverished British underclassman and he still owns a BMW.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 47 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,069

@400,065 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
lolno. Its the trans. They feel bullied by "cis" women, even though its men who murder them.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 45 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,071

@previous (B)
Men attack them with fists, and women attack them with words.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 38 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,072

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Which one allows them to breathe afterwards?

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 37 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,073

@400,071 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Also transwomen make death threats to women but not men, because men are scary. lol

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,076

@400,068 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
He isnt poor. His parents pay for everything, and he deals drugs.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 33 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,077

@400,072 (B)
It's hard to breathe after crying from receiving the abuse given by a cis woman.
@400,073 (B)
Men often carry out their threats, while women use passive-aggressive tactics.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,080

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
lol
Yeah, and words dont kill you. Actually what you should do is say that transwomen have penises. That really enrages them.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,082

@previous (B)
They don't seem too phased by it. What really bothered them was when an post-op elitist talked down to the pre/non-op transgender women and called them less than human.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,084

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Why would they call them less then human?

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 41 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,086

You could also reference the male violence at Camp trans, or women only spaces.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,087

@400,084 (B)
She called them glorified crossdressers, and said that their brain is not wired like a woman and therefore are not truly transgender.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 29 seconds later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,088

You know, by using radical feminism, you'd really only be trolling the T. You get the gay men and women by using religion.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 49 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,091

@400,087 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh shit. lol, That brain wring thing is ridiculous anyway. Like, does that mean that no poor trans person exists?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 14 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,092

@400,086 (B)
The Camp Trans and Michigan Womyn's Music Festival embodies the rivalry between cis-feminists and trans-activists.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,094

@400,088 (B)
We can say that the gay men are sexist and can't handle a real womyn.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,096

@400,092 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Yes. Trans people actually had to flee their own camp, because of violence from other trans. It was a big scandal.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,099

@400,094 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Yes, and that all gay men should just transition to womyn.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 15 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,100

@400,094 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Real womyn don't want men though, cause they're patriarchal rapists.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,101

@previous (F)
Womyn means both cis women, and trans women.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,102

@400,096 (B)
> "August 7. Hart , MI: Vandalism at Michfest This year at MichFest, the words “Real Womyn Have Cocks” were painted on the MichFest kitchen and other damage was allegedly done to MichFest property. A flyer was distributed with the following text: 'Second-Wave ‘Feminists’, A hot load from my monstrous tranny-cock embodies womanhood more than the pieces of menstral (sic) art your transphobic cunts could ever hope to create. Love, Womyn-born-Monsters"
> Real Womyn Have Cocks
lolol

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 second later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,103

@400,094 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I'd also mention Ida Hammer, and the Dyke March incident. lol

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,104

@400,101 (B)
Trans "women" are pervert men in dresses. Womyn means womyn born womyn.

(Edited 26 seconds later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 26 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,106

@400,100 (F)
Yeah, but the fact that gay men do not desire a woman makes them sexist and therefore oppressive.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 23 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,107

@400,102 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I know! Trans women also called themselves "holes" and held up poles with holes on them. It was fucking nuts.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,108

@400,102 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Many of them seriously feel like they're more real than bio women. Very odd.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 21 seconds later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,109

@400,104 (F)
Not always, because this term is sometimes co opted.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 37 seconds later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,110

@400,107 (B)
> Michigan Womyn's Music Festival has its roots in lesbian-feminist and lesbian-separatist analysis of patriarchy, and is intended to provide a week-long safe space for attendees to enjoy music created exclusively by women, immerse themselves in woman's culture and celebrate their womanhood in a safe environment without domination, oppression or interference by men. Its primary organizers adhere to a belief that a defining quality of womanhood comes from being born and raised in a female body.
I never knew this happened in Michigan. All the music festivals I've been to feature knife-forging blacksmiths. That's too funny.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,111

@400,108 (B)
Transwomen had to actually work to achieve womanhood, they didn't have the luxury of just being born into it.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 10 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,112

@400,108 (B)
They feel more womyn because they had to conform to the stereotypes of a stereotypical cis woman. They are therefore sexist.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,113

@400,110 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Transwomen also snuck in and cut the water lines to the handicapped showers, and were completely banned from using the state park for their Camp trans during the festival, because of threats and violence.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 15 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,114

@400,112 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I agree.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 23 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,116

@400,111 (F)
They believe that womanhood comes from wearing dresses and makeup.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,118

Also, the head of a big anti violence trans group was fired for making death threats against cis lesbians. I'll look for the name.

(Edited 47 seconds later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,119

@400,113 (B)
Good God they're crazy.
@400,116 (B)
Real womynhood comes from splitting your penis down the middle, digging a big hole in it, sticking a tube in the urethra so scar tissue doesn't form over it and calling it a vagina.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,121

@400,118 (B)
Good lord, this sounds even bigger than the antifa and neo-nazi rivalry.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,127

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
His name is Anthony Casebeer

Pimp slap is not enough here: a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order. There’s no brains in her head to destroy to start with. It’s personal, and if I ever saw her in my windshield, I’ll be wiping blood off my white Buick. But I won’t be using the brakes.”

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 25 seconds later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,128

@previous (B)

Cathy !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,131

Can someone brief me on this feud?

Is it basically just trans vs. trans vs. feminist?

(Edited 1 minute later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 59 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,132

@400,127 (B)
Have you seen this video? It's called "transilience" because it showcases "transgender resiliance". Oh, and HE teaches women's studies at the University of New Hampshire. And he looks like Chris-Chan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ7eeRCdX9k

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 44 seconds later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,133

@400,121 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Also, the leader of camp trans was carrying a weapon, and its one of the reasons that Camp Trans was shut down.

Gemma Seynour

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 53 seconds later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,135

@400,131 (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
It seems as though transwomen are resentful of lesbians, because lesbians dont want to have sex with people who have penises.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 33 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,136

@400,132 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I know! brb, and we will talk more about his. lol

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 28 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,137

@400,133 (B)

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 24 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,138

@previous (B)

Anonymous B sextuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,139

@previous (B)

Anonymous B septuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 12 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #400,148

@400,132 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
That same mans says that the term "female" is outdated, and offensive.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,150

@previous (B)
He was inspired by Boy George to become that... thing.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,152

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
She also calls herself a feminist but thinks its okay when transwomen call bio women fish.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,153

@400,150 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Here she is posting a bio female students paper on Facebook, in order to make fun of it.

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

Cathy !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 4.6 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,154

@400,152 (B)
> fish
> bio women
Wut?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,155

@400,153 (B)
Expressing happiness at the thought of a bio female feminist dying.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,156

@400,154 (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
Many transwomen call biowomen fish, or fishy. Seriously.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,157

@400,155 (B)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,160

@400,156 (B)
Does that mean what I think it means?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,161

@400,150 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Same woman purposely misgendering a bio woman, even though misgendering is supposedly hate speech.

(Edited 22 seconds later.)

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 36 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,163

@previous (B)

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,164

@400,160 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Yes. Yes it does.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,165

@400,160 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
People don't believe me about these things, until they start seeing them for themselves.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,166

@400,161 (B)
The hypocrisy runs deep within him, but he is obviously mentally-disturbed. No one seems to care though. Truly sad.
@400,164 (B)
That is so fucking mature of him to say.
@previous (B)
I did not know the extensive details of this group. This is all too weird for me. Funny, yet sad at the same time.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,167

@400,116 (B)
> They believe that womanhood comes from wearing dresses and makeup.
If that's not womanhood, then what is?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,168

@400,166 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
These same people are pushing for the right of biomen with intact penises to use women's locker rooms, hospital rooms, and to be volunteers at rape crisis centers.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,169

@400,167 (F)
The shared experience of growing up female, and how everyone treats you because of it. Also, the shared problems, and health risks revolving around female anatomy. If you really feel like make up and dresses make a woman, than I dont know what to tell you.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,170

@400,166 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
trans activist explaining the cotton ceiling:

To: [redacted trans]
Subject: What’s the cotton ceiling?
Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM, [redacted trans] wrote:
Hi there,

The cotton ceiling is a theory proposed by trans porn star and activist Drew DeVeaux to explain the experiences queer trans women have with simultaneous social inclusion and sexual exclusion within the broader queer women’s communities. Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.

The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex.

The theory of the cotton ceiling is useful in identifying the dynamic trans women are experiencing, and is meant to open up conversation around desirability’s intersections with transmisogyny and transphobia.

I hope this description is helpful! Let me know if you have any other questions.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,171

@previous (B)
To: [redacted trans]
Subject: Re: What’s the cotton ceiling?
Thanks. Do you really think lesbians are transphobic for not wanting to have sex with a trans woman who is male-bodied?

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM, [redacted trans] wrote:
Trans women are not male-bodied. There is nothing male about our bodies.

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #400,172

@previous (B)
rom: [redacted lesbian]
Sent: March-12-12 1:59 PM
To: [redacted trans]
Subject: Re: What’s the cotton ceiling?
Thanks. So, just to make sure I understand this, a trans woman with a penis, and who has no desire to have a sex change, is not male bodied – correct?

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, [redacted trans] wrote:
There is nothing inherently male about a woman’s body, unless she identified things about it as male herself. So, no, I do not consider trans women with penises to be male-bodied, unless that is how they identify.

From: [redacted lesbian]
Sent: March-12-12 2:04 PM
To: [redacted trans]
Subject: Re: What’s the cotton ceiling?
This is seriously problematic for lesbians. What you are saying is lesbians – who desire sex with females – are somehow bigoted for that desire, no? That’s exactly what nontrans males say to us.
Anyway, take care, [redacted lesbian]

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,174

@400,170 (B)
The main problem with the cotton ceiling theory is that the reason why the women they try to get are not attracted to them is because they are not attracted to the male penis.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,175

@400,170 (B)
@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Do transmen have the same problem in the gay community?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,176

@previous (F)
I don't know. Sorry.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 49 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,177

@400,174 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
They think that this kind of issue is discriminatory. But you never hear them lecture bio men, about not liking penis.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,178

@400,175 (F)
That gay men wont fuck them? Yes, but there are many more trans women, than trans men. Also, I've never heard of the trans women coming up with their version of cotton ceiling, or calling gay bio men bad allies for not being attracted to then. They also havent been aggressively trying to get into womens locker rooms, and prisons.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,179

@400,177 (B)
That's because men are naturally attracted to penises.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 second later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,180

@400,177 (B)
The funny thing is, I consider myself pretty hetero but I find MtF transsexuals and drag queens hot, but transmen totally turn me off. I'm attracted to femininity, not penis or vagina. But I may just be a weirdo.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,181

@400,179 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Sorry, I edited and added a bit. Transmen arent trying to get into mens prisons and locker rooms.

(Edited 18 seconds later.)

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,184

@400,180 (F)
That is actually quite common.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 21 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,185

@400,180 (F)
That doesnt make you a weirdo. You like what you like. But inherently, penises and males will be less threatening to you because you have/are one. Also, the transwomen that you find attractive are probably very dainty, and pretty, and look like women. In reality, they usually look like males.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,186

@400,181 (B)
Transmen aren't obsessing over their looks. They tend to be just like men. Not mentally-ill freaks.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 36 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,187

@400,185 (B)
Hormones can do nearly magical things.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,189

@400,186 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Transmen would probably be afraid to be housed with men in a male prison. Right now, there are a few transwomen multiple muderers, who are probably going to get free state paid sex changes. They're also pushing to be housed with the women after that, even though they had used their penises to rape females, and had committed murder.

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 8 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,190

@400,185 (B)
> That doesnt make you a weirdo. You like what you like. But inherently, penises and males will be less threatening to you because you have/are one.
Maybe to me, because I'm neutral on them but most hetero men are weirded out and threatened by penises. I don't think most hetero women are threatened by penises though.
> Also, the transwomen that you find attractive are probably very dainty, and pretty, and look like women. In reality, they usually look like males.
This is true, it's hard for most men to pass as women due to skeletal shape, fat distribution, etc. It seems to be easier for women to pass as men (after mastectomy, hormones, etc).

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 12 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,191

@400,187 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh yes. Especially when you get them young.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,193

@400,189 (B)
To be fair, if I could crossdress my way out of a male prison, I would.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,195

@400,190 (F)
Hetero men see penises in locker rooms, and bathrooms very frequently without flipping out, right?
Many hetero women would be very uncomfortable to be naked around a strange male, and frightened if they suddenly saw a nude male in a women's only space. Also many women have been raped or molested. You should find a well trusted female friend and ask her about this gently. lol

Anonymous F replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,198

@previous (B)
I was meaning in a sexual context. But if a normal hetero man unknowingly bedded a pre-op transsexual and found a penis, I assure you he would flip out.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 32 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,200

@previous (F)
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
> double posting in the same second
Mod abuse detected.

(Edited 30 seconds later.)

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 21 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,201

@400,193 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I believe you! lol But why should an individual who raped women with his penis, and also murdered women, be allowed to call himself a female, and be housed with women?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 42 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,202

@previous (B)
I don't think that should be allowed until he disarms himself via SRS.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 49 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,203

@400,198 (F)
Very true, because he would feel gay.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,205

@400,202 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I wouldnt be okay with it, even if he had his penis, and testicles removed. He isnt a woman. He used his male sex organ to hurt women.

(Edited 33 seconds later.)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,207

@400,200 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
> >double posting in the same second
> Mod abuse detected.
Metabuseâ„¢ (pronounced as one delete)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,209

@400,205 (B)
If someone misused their penis, then wouldn't removing and putting him amongst the women he abused be a form of justice?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,210

@400,205 (B)
Remove the organ, and he cannot rape. However, such rule would infringe upon the intersexed.
@400,207 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
lololol

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,212

@400,209 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
No, not when the women dont want to be housed with him. He'd have a much easier life, living as a rapist with women, than men.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 51 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,213

@previous (B)
I'm the sure the women in the prison could make life unpleasant for him. And he would be unable to rape in the future.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,214

@400,210 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
They say that when rapists cannot achieve an erection, they just assault with their hands or foreign objects.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,215

@400,212 (B)
Oh man, the mtf rapists must be a wonderful treat for the inmates.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,216

@400,214 (B)
I keep forgetting that rape is done out of wrath and power, not lust.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 13 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,217

@400,213 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
One was a child rapist. How are they normally treated by males in prison? Also, rapists assault in other ways when their penises do not function.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,219

@previous (B)
The thing that comes to mind is crystal dick.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,222

@400,217 (B)
They should give the child rapist a sex change, then put him in a cell with five huge black guys.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,223

@400,216 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Its probably a combination of both.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,224

@400,219 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Whats that?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,227

@previous (B)
When you're high on meth and you can't get it up but you're unbelievably horny. The only thing that could actually cure the problem would be anal play.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,229

@400,223 (B)
Yeah, I can't picture someone doing a sex crime with purely non-sexual motives.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,234

@400,227 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh god. Reminds me of Jaycee Dugard and the runs. So awful.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 42 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,236

@400,229 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I cant either. Unless one was doing it to make money? Or to keep a mate?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,237

@previous (B)
Rape would be a pretty weird way to keep a mate.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,238

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
No some people (usually women) will participate in child molestation to keep a mate.

fluffy nigger joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,241

@400,139 (B)
wot?
a jo doesnt have a blade on the end.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,244

@previous (fluffy nigger)
The leader of Camp Trans (a bio male) made the weapon to patrol around a womens only festival.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,246

@previous (B)
Did this transwoman attack or threaten anyone with it?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 13 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,247

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Not that I'm aware. At some point, the bio men at Camp trans discussed having a violent confrontation with the bio women at the music festival. This person claimed to have talked them out of it.

Quote:

The truth is both less, and more, interesting than many accounts have depicted, but no one who was actually there can deny that I was the strongest voice in opposition to actions that might have led to a violent confrontation.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,248

@previous (B)
Why exclude transwomen though? The thing I don't get about feminism is womens-only spaces. And I don't mean locker rooms or bathrooms. If I held a big Klan rally and only whites were welcome, there would be mass protests and I would be (justly) crucified in the media for it but it's quite alright for the Womyn's Festival to exclude anyone with a Y chromosome. I just don't see how discrimination and prejudice can be fixed with more discrimination and prejudice.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 14 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,249

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
But if there were a black only group meeting, would you be okay with whites butting in? They've shown time and time again that transwomen do not act like bio women, and they've never had any vandalism before bio men arrived. Also, there or many mens organizations, like the Masons. Are those okay? The festival is on private property, and what has happened when males have been there? Threats of violence, signs saying that real women have cocks,vandalism, and weapons. Because transwomen act like bio men.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,250

@previous (B)
Also, if trans women are allowed in, than why shouldn't they allow cis men in as well? Should transwomen be allowed in because they were make up, and cis men dont?

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,251

@400,248 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
When trans women went to the Dyke March, they brought signs that said things like "Free blow jobs" At a Dyke March. Or chanted, we're here we're holes, get used to it.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,252

@400,248 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Do you actually think that females who want to spend a week camping without being around penises is equivalent to the KKK? Seriously?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,253

@400,249 (B)
> But if there were a black only group meeting, would you be okay with whites butting in?
It depends on how they act and what their intent was. For example, Neo-Nazi skinheads should indeed be kept out of a black-interest group, but a non-racist white should be welcome, or at least tolerated.
> They've shown time and time again that transwomen do not act like bio women, and they've never had any vandalism before bio men arrived. Also, there or many mens organizations, like the Masons. Are those okay?
This is true, also the priesthood of the Catholic church. I don't think it's right though.
> The festival is on private property, and what has happened when males have been there? Threats of violence, signs saying that real women have cocks,vandalism, and weapons. Because transwomen act like bio men.
This is really generalizing. A few instances of bad behavior should denigrate all transwomen? It's on private property and it's certainly their right to exclude whoever they want, but I don't think it's the correct thing to do.

I guess what I mean is that "good" sexism and racism are still sexism and racism. We should start viewing each other as humans. Not as white, or black, or male, or female.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 49 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,254

@400,252 (B)
> Do you actually think that females who want to spend a week camping without being around penises is equivalent to the KKK? Seriously?
What, honestly, is the difference between a group that wants to be white-only and a group that wants to be womyn-only? The Michigan Womyn's Festival doesn't lynch people, or burn crosses but the philosophy of excluding people is the same to me.

Black people don't act like white people, and they'll never understand what it's like to grow up white. Not saying it's good to be racist (and the concept of a "pure" race is bullshit anyway).

(Edited 4 minutes later.)

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,292

what is this even about

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,295

@400,252 (B)
Wait a minute... Does the womyn fest allow FtM transmen?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 23 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,304

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
They are born womyn...

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,305

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
True, but they openly wish to be referred as male.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,308

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
If transwomen never lose their male privilege, then how can transmen lose their womynhood?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,309

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Good point.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,332

@400,254 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)

How is it generalizing? Males are more violent than women, and are raised to use fists instead of words. Thats a fact. When males were included, they brought vandalism, weapons, and pornography. When transwomen are angered, they act like cis males, with threats of violence and rape. When was the last time that you saw a female threaten another woman with rape to shut her up? Women should be able to get a week of peace where they can relax, around other women born women. Even some of the transwomen who were allowed in, acted like the whole festival was about sex. Because they are straight men who like to dress feminine. One of the big trans activists even said that the festival was a place for women to give other women orgasms! Which is not the truth at all. I'll find you the quote.

The KKK is a group that says blacks are subhuman, and inferior, and they have been using those views to hurt and intimidate blacks for decades. The Mich fest women are saying that men have been hurting women forever (which is true) and they want a break where they can relax with other people who have lived their same experiences.

Some people (usually men) dont understand that being a woman isnt about makeup, and dresses (because those things aren't coded in genetics) but the shared experience of living as a female, how the world treats you, and how you deal with the subsequent reproductive issues.

Transwomen have made threats against cis women, lesbians (for not pretending that a penis is a vagina) and of threatening to take secret nude photos of any women in the festival. If straight males (most trans women) did not act in such a predatory manner, well they might be allowed in. They reason that ths type of thing enrages transwomen, and also why they push this cotton ceiling business, is that they are socialized as men from birth to demand access to women, and are confused and angered when women set a boundary.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 46 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,333

@400,295 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Generally they allow ftm in, but if they were to expose themselves and they had a penis, I'd imagine that it might be an issue.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 34 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,340

@400,332 (B)

> How is it generalizing? Males are more violent than women, and are raised to use fists instead of words. Thats a fact.
You just did it again though. Was I raised to use fists instead of words? Not all men think life is some kind of nonstop MMA cage fight. Yes, some men are violent and most physical attacks are male on male. It really sucks, but it's unfair to paint all men as violent.
> When males were included, they brought vandalism, weapons, and pornography.
So women don't do any of these?
> When transwomen are angered, they act like cis males, with threats of violence and rape. When was the last time that you saw a female threaten another woman with rape to shut her up?
Never, but I've never seen a cis male do that either. And how is a post-op transwoman going to rape? I've been in lots of arguments with women, and I've witnessed lots of other men arguing and I have never heard a man threaten to rape a woman to get her to shut up.
> Women should be able to get a week of peace where they can relax, around other women born women. Even some of the transwomen who were allowed in, acted like the whole festival was about sex.
Again, none of the women born women hooked up with each other?
> Because they are straight men who like to dress feminine.
No. That is not what a transwoman is. You have described a crossdresser which is a totally different thing. We've been over this a dozen times before.
> One of the big trans activists even said that the festival was a place for women to give other women orgasms! Which is not the truth at all. I'll find you the quote.
Please do.
> The KKK is a group that says blacks are subhuman, and inferior, and they have been using those views to hurt and intimidate blacks for decades. The Mich fest women are saying that men have been hurting women forever (which is true) and they want a break where they can relax with other people who have lived their same experiences.
It's the same principle though. Why the KKK just be peacefully left alone to enjoy their white safe space?
> Some people (usually men) dont understand that being a woman isnt about makeup, and dresses (because those things aren't coded in genetics) but the shared experience of living as a female, how the world treats you, and how you deal with the subsequent reproductive issues.
I get this, that transwomen will never understand what its like to have the female reproductive system, but certainly not all women have the same experience in life, right?
> Transwomen have made threats against cis women, lesbians (for not pretending that a penis is a vagina) and of threatening to take secret nude photos of any women in the festival.
Source? The last two sound kind of hard to believe.
> If straight males (most trans women) did not act in such a predatory manner, well they might be allowed in. They reason that ths type of thing enrages transwomen, and also why they push this cotton ceiling business, is that they are socialized as men from birth to demand access to women, and are confused and angered when women set a boundary.
What does "demand access to women" mean? As a hetero man, I thought you had to fall in love with a woman and she had to love you back, and it was a mutual thing. A woman isn't something you can "demand access" to, like healthcare or the court system. I'm sure there are some lesbians who don't mind transwomen, just like there are straight men who go for shemales.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,344

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Men as a whole are socialized to violence, and to disrespect womens spaces and bodies. By access, I mean our rape culture (which exists) and our culture of sexual harassment. Its all part of male entitlement.

Most of the transwomen trying to get into these spaces have working penises, and call themselves lesbian (which means a straight male)
Have you never seen men online threaten women with rape when they're angered? Really? I find that hard to believe? You've never heard or witnessed street harassment of women?

When transwomen pressure lesbians to have sex with them they are acting just like "cis" males.

Do you have any close females that you can discuss this with? I'll be right back with the quotes.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,346

@400,340 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Men who snuck into Mich fest.

Alice Kalafarski – attends a pre-orgasmic workshop for women- many of whom are healing from male sexual predation and violence- he shares a graphic description of using a cock ring to beat his meat. When women attendees are traumatized he poo-poos them, and laughs. (Horrifyingly, he claims to volunteer at a rape crisis center) Says he snuck into fest because it was where “Michfest was made for queer women to celebrate their shared sisterhood and give each other lots of orgasms” and he wanted to see if he could find a lesbian to have sex with. Refused to perform the two work shifts all attendees are required to perform as condition of attendance. Interrupts a ritual goddess ceremony to announce to the women that “goddess stuff is silly”. Pushes women out of the way to force his way onto a crowded dancefloor- elbows one of them in the chest. (More incidents will be added as they come to light).

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,347

@400,340 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Another thing, why is it womens jobs (feminism) to fix the violence of males? Women arent just afraid of men because its cute or something, its because men do things to make them afraid. Have you ever talked with your male friends about this?

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,348

@400,346 (B)
Tobi Hill-Meyer- Calls himself a trans butch lesbian (“TransDyke”). Protests flyers posted at fest honoring butch women as discriminatory, because the flyers didn’t mention that “men can be butch lesbians too”. Says: “Lisa Vogul hasn’t changed her stance saying that trans women shouldn’t come. But the fact is, we are coming.” Allowed other men to use his armband so they could enter without paying “I know that at least one person was re-using my arm band and I was under the impression that there were some other folks who re-used an armband or two or three as well.”

This male also makes scorpion memes about radical lesbians that say things like how they should love dicks because they use dildoes.

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,349

@previous (B)
Annie Danger- Penned the widely distributed “Open Letter to my friends who go to Michfest” where he asks attendees to ““Please do things while you’re there that show me that you really respect my body. My life. My womanhood.” And states: “I feel hurt and I am writing because want to trust that you have my back as a transwoman. I am having a hard time separating your attendance of MWMF and your silence with me about this issue from your level of respect for me; for my body.” You can see what he means by respecting his body And what he means by his “womanhood” if you skip to the six minute mark in the following video which he posted on youtube in children’s section (since removed by moderators). *Warning- not for children or weak stomachs! *Second warning! Really, you’ve been warned! Once seen can never be unseen!

http://anniedanger.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/show/4141493-keynote-address

Anonymous B sextuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 35 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,350

Meta tell me, why is it only ever men that think that make up and dresses is what equals womanhood?

Anonymous B septuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,352

@400,348 (B)

Anonymous B octuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 25 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,353

@previous (B)

Anonymous B nonuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,354

@400,352 (B)
@previous (B)

Transwoman who snuck into womens festival acting just like a cis man.

A while ago I put together one of those memes for RadFem Scorpion. With two sentences and an implied connection between them, it’s hard to make it misinterpretation-proof and with all the radfem harassment of trans women I took the easy route and posted it anonymously. But other folks were misinterpreting it too, so I wanted to discuss it here and provide some context.

The concern raised is that this is the same logic that men use to convince lesbians to have sex with them, as in, if you like dildos, you should have sex with me – it’s often put in that context “how about a real cock.” Of course, it’s hard to speak about sexuality as a trans woman in this specific moment in internet history without the aura of “trans women are trying to force lesbians to have sex with them” being at least an undercurrent of thought.

Anonymous B decuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,358

@previous (B)
Documented action of males at mich fest:

0.1. a female-born womon is told “I am more woman than you” by a trans woman

0.2. a trans woman’s detailed narrative about masturbating with her penis and cock ring is read aloud in a sex-for-one workshop for pre-orgasmic womyn, triggering the sexual trauma of one woman severely and upsetting and triggering several others. (Alice K)

0.3. a trans woman with a penis is seen nude at the shower by a woman born female and her four-year-old granddaughter

0.4. a trans woman’s erection is noticed at a party in the Zone

0.5.a penis is seen at the WOC Burlesque show

0.6. a WHITE trans woman wears a “Trans Women Belong Here” t-shirt to the WOC Burlesque show, offending womyn of color with the proclamation that she belongs in WOC space (Angel S)

0.7. a trans woman, seemingly high, wanders into the Teen Tent, causing a pre-teen to be asked by the other teens there to leave for her own safety due to her pro-Fest boundary t-shirt

0.8. the clothesline of a woman born female is stolen after she hangs up her shirt with “No They Don’t” on it (in response to “Trans Women Belong Here.”)

0.9. “IT WAS HERE” and the symbol for trans with an anarchist A in the middle was carved into janes at triangle.

0.11. many female butches’ sex and gender are questioned in the ONE place they used to be able to count on that NOT happening.

0.12. the stories of violation, trauma, and triggers on the Land as told by women born female are discounted and disbelieved.

0.13. in the “Allies in Understanding” workshop, a wbw who was paired up with a trans woman (Tobi H) asked the trans woman if she was trans. Tobi said yes. The wbw did not want to discuss the issue with a trans woman, she preferred to discuss it with another wbw with the opposite opinion so she did not engage. AT the end of the workshop Tobi said that the wbw she was paired up with “made assumptions about her” and therefore chose not to engage.

0.14. A trans woman elbowed a wbw in the breast as she shoved her way onto the dance floor at Night Stage (Alice K)

0.15. a wbw was harassed late at night by several trans women who followed her on the path and said things like “how does it feel to be the last one out late at night?” as the shone flashlights in her eyes.

0.16. a wbw at a fire was harassed by a trans woman who tried to press her into a conversation about the Issue, and would not take no for an answer, forcing the wbw to leave the fire.”

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,359

@400,344 (B)
> Men as a whole are socialized to violence, and to disrespect womens spaces and bodies. By access, I mean our rape culture (which exists) and our culture of sexual harassment. Its all part of male entitlement.
Sexual harassment has been toned down a lot now, at least in the business world. And what about it being ingrained in men from birth that you can't hit girls? I would wager more than half of men would not hit a woman back if she slapped them.
> Most of the transwomen trying to get into these spaces have working penises, and call themselves lesbian (which means a straight male)
> Have you never seen men online threaten women with rape when they're angered? Really? I find that hard to believe? You've never heard or witnessed street harassment of women?
Online, yes. But there's a difference between internet tough guy and real life. As for street harassment, the worst I've seen was "hey baby/good looking" and/or whistling. Which is crass, and I wasn't raised like that (nor are most men).
> When transwomen pressure lesbians to have sex with them they are acting just like "cis" males.
Some people will be pushy with sex/romance. I had a hetero womyn born woman pressure me into sex once.
> Do you have any close females that you can discuss this with? I'll be right back with the quotes.
Not really. I mean, I'm close with my sisters, my mom, and two platonic female friends but none of them are really into feminism or gender role stuff.

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Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,361

,359
If men arent socialized for these things than why are the huge majority of street harassers, rapists, and people who assault, men? is it just a coincidence?

Why is it that a space for women only never had violence or vandalism until men were there? Another coincidence?
Why s it that people had to flee Camp trans because of violence by males in their own group? Another coincidence?
Why is it that the male head of an anti violence towards trans people group, felt okay with threatening cis women?

How do you know that the women in your life dont have strong feelings about this? Ask them about the locker room thing.

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Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,362

@400,359 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Another thing Meta, why are so many transwomen perfectly for with using gendered insults against cis women? You know, things like the word cunt, or fish? Is it because they're actually cis men who like to wear dresses?

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,363

@previous (B)
https://twitter.com/Shane_M_Shannon

Shane tweets the following speech tagged for Cathy Brennan.

“My mum said, “tell that bitch to fuck off and block it, stupid twat.”

“mfao die a virgin and save us all a lot of hassle but PLEASE DEAR GOD do NOT let yourself reproduce!”

“Im sorry that urs is firmly sealed shut by years of crusted vaginal juices. U might need a chisel if u ever happen to get lucky.”

Shane then tweets to another friend:

“I know like its so stupid the government tell us whether we can say nigger or not people should get over it

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,364

@previous (B)
http://bug-brennan.tumblr.com/post/37113724889/pet-peeve-men-who-threaten-women-with-violence

If I had any superpower I’d have the power to punch people through computer screens

Within a week there’d be no more radical feminism.

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Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,365

@previous (B)

Anonymous B sextuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 21 seconds later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,366

@previous (B)

Anonymous B septuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,368

Transwomen telling lesbians that they are unfcukable. Just like cis hetero men do.

You fucking stupid cunts. It’s not my fault I look better than you. Go take up your insecurities with a plastic surgeon. Suck my dogs dick.”

http://3l3n4.tumblr.com/post/34458470274/im-tired-of-these-motherfucking-radical-feminists

Anonymous B octuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,369

Roseann Barr says that while she respects transwomen, cis women need their own restrooms and locker rooms. How do transwomen respond?

Anonymous B nonuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,371

Tranwoman run feminist site says that abortion shouldnt be called a womens issue.


http://feministing.com/2011/04/11/why-i-wont-be-talking-about-abortion-as-a-womens-issue-anymore/

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,372

@400,346 (B)
Clearly unacceptable and disruptive behavior. Deserved to be shitlisted.
@400,347 (B)
> Another thing, why is it womens jobs (feminism) to fix the violence of males? Women arent just afraid of men because its cute or something, its because men do things to make them afraid. Have you ever talked with your male friends about this?
I'm not sure how to, since neither me nor my male friends (at least not that I know of) commit violence or rape against women, or even against men.
@400,348 (B)
Not as bad as the first one, imo but still getting people in without paying is grounds for ejection.
@400,350 (B)
> Meta tell me, why is it only ever men that think that make up and dresses is what equals womanhood?
This is a simplification. I would also add things like sensitivity, gentleness, etc. That's what men see from the outside.


What equals manhood?

@400,358 (B)
> Documented action of males at mich fest:
>
> 0.1. a female-born womon is told “I am more woman than you” by a trans woman
Subjective opinion, it doesn't seem that bad.
> 0.2. a trans woman’s detailed narrative about masturbating with her penis and cock ring is read aloud in a sex-for-one workshop for pre-orgasmic womyn, triggering the sexual trauma of one woman severely and upsetting and triggering several others. (Alice K)
Horrible, deserved to be shitlisted from the festival.
> 0.3. a trans woman with a penis is seen nude at the shower by a woman born female and her four-year-old granddaughter
I fully agree with you that it is reasonable to exclude pre-op women from things like showers and locker rooms.
> 0.4. a trans woman’s erection is noticed at a party in the Zone
Yeah, that's bad.
> 0.5.a penis is seen at the WOC Burlesque show
Again, I would agree penises don't belong.
> 0.6. a WHITE trans woman wears a “Trans Women Belong Here” t-shirt to the WOC Burlesque show, offending womyn of color with the proclamation that she belongs in WOC space (Angel S)
This one confuses me; had it been a white womyn born womyn, would it have been an issue? Do women of color need their own space away from white women?
> 0.7. a trans woman, seemingly high, wanders into the Teen Tent, causing a pre-teen to be asked by the other teens there to leave for her own safety due to her pro-Fest boundary t-shirt
What is a pro-fest boundary?
> 0.8. the clothesline of a woman born female is stolen after she hangs up her shirt with “No They Don’t” on it (in response to “Trans Women Belong Here.”)
Petty vandalism, would deserve shitlisting if caught.
> 0.9. “IT WAS HERE” and the symbol for trans with an anarchist A in the middle was carved into janes at triangle.
Could have meant a trans was there and was not welcome?
> 0.11. many female butches’ sex and gender are questioned in the ONE place they used to be able to count on that NOT happening.
How could their sex be questioned if they're womyn?
> 0.12. the stories of violation, trauma, and triggers on the Land as told by women born female are discounted and disbelieved.
This is sad, but not threatening that I can see.
> 0.13. in the “Allies in Understanding” workshop, a wbw who was paired up with a trans woman (Tobi H) asked the trans woman if she was trans. Tobi said yes. The wbw did not want to discuss the issue with a trans woman, she preferred to discuss it with another wbw with the opposite opinion so she did not engage. AT the end of the workshop Tobi said that the wbw she was paired up with “made assumptions about her” and therefore chose not to engage.
It's the wbw's right to choose who she talks to, but saying she "made assumptions about her" doesn't strike me as being that horrible of a thing to say.
> 0.14. A trans woman elbowed a wbw in the breast as she shoved her way onto the dance floor at Night Stage (Alice K)
I'm sure wbw have done this or something comparable before. Bad behavior though.
> 0.15. a wbw was harassed late at night by several trans women who followed her on the path and said things like “how does it feel to be the last one out late at night?” as the shone flashlights in her eyes.
Harassment would be grounds for shitlisting.
> 0.16. a wbw at a fire was harassed by a trans woman who tried to press her into a conversation about the Issue, and would not take no for an answer, forcing the wbw to leave the fire.”
What was the Issue?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,374

Popular trans activist who has written books on this, says that reproductive issue are boring.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,376

@400,372 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Women of color do have , and need their own spaces from white women. In fact some transwomen call themselves trans racial, and tried to actually horn in on those spaces. As a woman I cannot define manhood for you. Just as amna cannot define womanhood.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,377

@400,374 (B)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 10 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,387

@400,362 (B)
Someone calling themselves Christopher with an unambiguously male pic is not, in any way, a transwoman.
@400,361 (B)
I have some theories about this which I'm not quite sure how to put into words properly (I have the idea clearly in my head, but not sure how to put it if that makes sense).
@400,363 (B)
I'm sorry he was mean to her, but there is lots of meanness on the internet to everyone.
@400,364 (B)
He's creepy and I'd avoid him too.

@400,368 (B)
> Transwomen telling lesbians that they are unfcukable. Just like cis hetero men do.
> You fucking stupid cunts. It’s not my fault I look better than you. Go take up your insecurities with a plastic surgeon. Suck my dogs dick.”
Are the transwomen mad because of the cotton ceiling thing, or do they see lesbian womyn as unattractive? It can't be both.
@400,371 (B)
Stop saying and stop thinking that abortion is a women’s issue.

That’s it. Pretty simple right? But incredibly important.

Cause, the thing is, it’s not just women that have abortions

Trans men have abortions. Gender queer people have abortions. Two spirit people have abortions. People who do not fit into the box of ‘woman’ have abortions.
Illegible gibberish. She clearly does not understand what an abortion is.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,388

Transwoman who's attracted to women and has a working penis, wants to use ladies showers.

Colleen Francis is a 45 year old man who retired from the US Army after 20 years as a supply sergeant. Married three times, he has three adult children and two daughters aged 7 and 5. His cross-sex hormones are provided by VA Medical, as well as a cocktail of psychiatric meds, lithium and antabuse prescribed for a troubling history that he details at length on a blog at the “Transgender Lesbian Space”of the puddygirl dating site for women. He says he is known as “Fae Raven” (not to be confused with the UK fetish model of the same name) in the “BDSM Community” and describes himself as:

“I am polyamorous, bisexual (I very much favor women though, and my therapist calls me a lesbian…makes me smile) and kinky.”

“Colleen Brenna” means “Raven Girl” in Irish Gaelic. A former rodeo rider, he is an avid hunter and competitive handgun shooter.

He started wearing a low-dose estrogen patch two years ago and has written that he has no intention of ever getting “sex reassignment” surgery, stating “Yes, I still have those parts too, although they aren’t disgusting for me. I’ve never hated then. I saw LONG ago, in childhood that those were what I was given, and beung the very, very sexual creature that I was/am, I used them. Enthusiastically. I decided not to be robbed of the blessing of sexuality simply because I came wrapped in the wrong package.” [sic]

He describes his VA funded estrogen treatments as making him “tired and very horny”

The VA also funds his education at Olympia WA Evergreen State College. Francis performed in the university presentation of Eve Ensler’s “The Vagina Monologues”, an experience he describes on his wordpress blog thusly: “ I suddenly find myself in a community of Cunts.”

He lists his life interests as: “drawing, cooking, transgender issues,polyamory, witchcraft, nature, fishing, art, poetry, ocean, women, sex, sexuality, emotions, magic, magick, goddess, reading, erotica, pornography, nudity, crafting, leatherwork, firearms, knives, swords, paganism, wicca, LGBT issues, beauty, gender issues, kink, spirituality, guns, makeup, shoes, boots, corsets, selkies” [sic]

and describes himself as “at once a teen girl and a woman wise beyond her years.”

He says the first thing people notice about him is “I obviously stand out as the one who is not a genetic female.”

Colleen’s “fae_raven.livejournal” bdsm account has been purged.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,390

@400,371 (B)
He calls himself a woman though

They're mad at lesbians for not fucking them, and express this by calling them unfuckable, just like cis men.

Regarding the person spouting of about abortion, he's a very prominent and popular trans activist! This is how they really think! In your opinion, do these males look like women and are they acting like women?

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Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,392

@400,376 (B)
> Women of color do have , and need their own spaces from white women.
But where does this end, though? If women of color need their space, shouldn't that space be separated by ethnicity (black women, asian women, hispanic women, native american women are all women of color, right?), and then by age, and by eye color, and so on? Eventually every woman will be reduced to her own, individual "space".
> In fact some transwomen call themselves trans racial, and tried to actually horn in on those spaces.
When I was a kid, we called these people "wiggers".
> As a woman I cannot define manhood for you. Just as amna cannot define womanhood.
Well, then, what is your view of manhood? I gave you mine for womanhood.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,394

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I think that oppressed group should have their own spaces. People are not oppressed by eye color. Where did you say your opinion on what is a woman? I must have missed it.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 51 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,395

@400,388 (B)
Olympia WA school officials claim that Title IX protections – which force schools to provide equal access to sports facilities to females ["No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance."] is overridden by Washington State’s Gender Identity protections. The Washington state law is being used to attach a condition to Title IX equality for females, and that condition is that equal access to facilities for teenage girls is predicated upon their willingness to undress and shower in front of a self-described “kinky” “horny” middle-aged heterosexual man who refers to himself as “a teen girl”. Colleen Francis’ right to express a self-concept of his penis’s “Gender Identity”, and his right to be free from discrimination for his psychiatric “Gender Identity Disorder” diagnosis should NOT override Federal Title IX protections for females. Girls should NOT be shuttled off to inferior sports facilities in deference to one male’s feelings about himself- OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON.

This Washington State Gender Identity law, passed in 2006, is proving to be deeply discriminatory against the rights of females in its practical application. The rights of females under Title IX should not be overridden by Washington State statute, or attached with a condition of teen-aged girls showering with “kinky” middle-aged men.

Who is looking out for the legal title IX rights of these juvenile female athletes?

It is super important for us Lesbian and Female – and gay male- members of the “LGBT” to make the general public (like these girl’s parents, and the media) aware that we do NOT support the infringement on equal rights for girls by men like Colleen Francis, and that we do NOT support Gender Identity Laws which override equality laws designed to protect women and girls. We do NOT want to teach girls to ignore their own sense of safety and we do NOT want to penalize girls who simply want a safe and comfortable and equal place to swim.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 19 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,406

Tell me, Meta. Is this a woman?
In the article, the trans person is called a woman, and the bio females are called girls. Even though they are all the same age. Why is that?

From PinkNews : “A trans woman student at Leeds University was verbally abused and pushed out of the Student Union’s female toilets by two girls. “

Wow. So a grown person was attacked by two female children? Nope. The adult (“woman”) in this case is a 21 year old man and the “girls” are females also of adult age.

More from Pink News : “According to reports, Alexis, a Microbiology student who was transitioning from male to female, was shouted at and shoved in the chest by two girls, during a night called Fruity.

She said: “I’m very angry at those girls. I know better than anyone that I don’t look like a girl yet. Misgendering me is something I expect, but grabbing my breasts and shoving me is completely unacceptable. It’s wrong for a natural-born girl to insult a trans girl, especially one who prefers to dress more masculine, simply because she likes to. We’re doing the best we can – you’re lucky to have been born that way, and we can dress however we please, just like you”, Alexis added.”

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 34 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,407

@previous (B)
Alexis Lilith Starr aka Protoman2050 aka Douglas Pereira is a 21 year old man from Long Beach, CA whose “gender identity” is that of a man, who “loves” his dick and has no intention of “passing” (in the lingo of transactivists) as the other sex. As some transgender males do, he describes his penis as a “Click” (an amalgomation of “clit” and “dick”) and signs all his comments with the following statement “I’m more of a man than you will ever be, more of a woman than you can handle, and my damn click will break your jaw”.

Douglas started taking estrogen pills in November. As of last month he bemoaned the lack of any apparent physical changes to his 6’1″ male frame. Among his many recent public posts, many to psychology sites inquiring if he may have a sociopathic disorder due to his lack of empathy and ethics, he has expressed his desire to become a “shemale” escort after completing his Phd.

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,408

@previous (B)
Doug says:

“Probably by the end of this, I’ll end up pretty much as a “chick with a dick who isn’t a chick”. Thin yet toned, small breasts (that can easily be bound when the situation requires it) androgynous dress, yet be legally and, for the most part, socially male.”

and

“Who said I wanted SRS? I’m actually an androgyne (mentally both male and female, yet also neither), and I’m adjusting my body type to make that known. I love my penis too! Can’t imagine not being able to pee standing up. So yeah, I’m going to become an “it”.

So, dude is a dude that is doing some body mods to get his freak on. The whole “I’m a tragic fellow who’s a lady born in a male body who will kill myself unless you enable me medically and surgically and socially to cosmetically appear female in which case I will be a well-adjusted guy instead of (insert threat) is total crap. This is a dude that wants some body mods. The whole “female in a male’s body” trope that worked 50 years ago doesn’t apply any more. These dudes are in no way female. They never were.

Anonymous B sextuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 47 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,409

@previous (B)

Anonymous B septuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,410

@previous (B)
Transwoman makes this quote, even though trans women say that they need to use womens restrooms, because of threat of violence from males. Does this make sense?

(Edited 17 seconds later.)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,415

@400,406 (B)
> In the article, the trans person is called a woman, and the bio females are called girls. Even though they are all the same age. Why is that?
Pronouns can be weird. Like how it's acceptable to address a mixed group of men and women as "you guys". Or how you can have a girlfriend, but never a womanfriend (or boyfriend but never a manfriend). I guess because "transgirl" sounds awkward? But usage like "sorority girls" and "frat boys" is fairly common even though it's assumed that anyone in a sorority/fraternity is an adult. I would have written it as "Two women shove a transwoman out of a women's restroom at Leeds University".

As for is that a woman, I would say not yet. Keyword here being transitioning. She should not use the women's room until she is passable.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,417

@400,408 (B)
@400,409 (B)
We've done these ones before. If someone says they do not want to be a woman, then they by definition are not a transwoman.
@400,408 (B)
> The whole “female in a male’s body” trope that worked 50 years ago doesn’t apply any more. These dudes are in no way female. They never were.
Wow. I agree, these dudes are not, but to say that about all transwomen is a bit much.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 32 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,418

@400,415 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Passable or loses the penis? He used girls to describe bio women, because many transwomen feel more like "real women" than actual females. Also, many man are socialized to infantilize women, like by calling them girls.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 56 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,421

@400,417 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Why was he supported in using a womens bathroom, if he calls himself an it?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,423

@400,418 (B)
> Passable or loses the penis?
Passable, but ideally they should wait till after SRS.
> He used girls to describe bio women, because many transwomen feel more like "real women" than actual females.
To be fair, he described himself as a girl, too. And he never said he was more real, or even as real. He just said he was doing the best he could.
> Also, many man are socialized to infantilize women, like by calling them girls.
I've heard women talk about cute boys and most of the women I know have boyfriends. I'd say it goes both ways.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 second later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,424

@400,418 (B)
> Passable or loses the penis?
Passable, but ideally they should wait till after SRS.
> He used girls to describe bio women, because many transwomen feel more like "real women" than actual females.
To be fair, he described himself as a girl, too. And he never said he was more real, or even as real. He just said he was doing the best he could.
> Also, many man are socialized to infantilize women, like by calling them girls.
I've heard women talk about cute boys and most of the women I know have boyfriends. I'd say it goes both ways.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 51 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,427

What did I miss?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,430

@400,423 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
No, it should be after the penis is gone. By passable, you're saying that being a woman is completely dependent on outside appearances.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 40 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,431

@400,424 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Women are definitely infantilized. You should look this up, Meta.

(Edited 12 seconds later.)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,434

@400,430 (B)
But in your view they would never be a real woman anyway, no?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 5 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,444

@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
they can never be females. Woman is a social construct caused by how females are treated throughout their lives. A males who was raised with male privilege and entitlement, doesnt suddenly become a woman when he gets inside out penis surgery.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,445

@400,349 (B)
What the flying fuck am I watching?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,446

@400,444 (B)
Would it be acceptable for a post-op MtF transwoman to use a public womens restroom for its intended purpose?

!KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,450

@400,444 (B)

> Woman is a social construct caused by how females are treated throughout their lives

You mean as in like that gender identity is learned behaviour?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,456

@400,445 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
A transwoman who claims that she belongs in womens spaces.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 37 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,458

@400,446 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I personally, wouldnt care.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 31 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,459

@400,450 (!KThEOwLwbU)
Kind of. Its also how your personality is shaped by how society treats you.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,465

@previous (B)

I don't believe that gender identity is learned but I agree that your personality can be influenced by those around you.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,468

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
I do. Because gender is gained through living a life being treated as your gender, and not your sex. Wearing makeup isnt biological,but learned. I myself, have never felt like a woman, but have always felt like a female.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 27 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,470

@400,456 (B)
Acting like that will NOT get you accepted.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,473

@400,468 (B)

Have you read about David Reimer? That's why I don't believe it is learned. Of course I could just not know other cases which show the other thing, but I just work with what I know.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 59 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,474

@400,470 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
They dont care. They feel like they're more real than bio women, and it infuriates them when females set boundaries. They learned this from being raised as men.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,476

@previous (B)
It seems like transmen are saner than transwomen. It remains a mystery to me.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,477

@400,474 (B)
You seem to view all men as being identical in behavior.

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,478

@400,473 (!KThEOwLwbU)
I have. Here's my feelings on this. Many children are very uncomfortable being trapped in their gender roles, especially gay children. When I was growing up, I knew that I was a female, because that reality. But I would see how women, and men were treated, and how males of my own age were treated, and I wasnt comfortable with that. I was also not comfortable with traditional femin9ne trappings. like make up, and high heels. This never changed the reality of my biology. David saw his sibling who looked just like him, get to go act and have fun doing boy activities, while he was stuck at home with mom, and forced into wearing dresses, and makeup. After seeing this disparity, why would he want to be a woman? Since he didnt know better, he had actually thought that he was a bio female, and a lesbian, who hated being a woman.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,479

@400,477 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
No I dont. But I cannot ignore how people act in real life. When even the heads of trans organizations, act aggressive towards cis women, what should we make of that? Arent they supposed to be public representatives?

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 31 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,480

@400,478 (B)
If you could go back in time and be born a boy, would you?

Anonymous B replied with this 4.6 years ago, 23 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,481

@400,476 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Women arent socialized to act in that manner. Even when transwomen change their appearance, they cannot change their upbringing.

Anonymous B double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 51 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,482

@400,480 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
No. But if I could keep all of my current socialization, but change my biology to being a male, I would at least try it.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,484

@400,478 (B)

So you think that rather than it being:

> Male > Unsuccessfully made female > Did not learn the female gender role > Became male again because that's who he always was inside

It was something like:

> Male > Successfully made female > Convinced he was a female > Learned the female gender role > Became dissatisfied with the female gender role as something she/he was not comfortable with > Became male "again" > Learned the male gender role

?

It's possible. Good an explanation as any.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,485

@400,479 (B)
Is that a representative sample of trans women organizations, or a few bad ones?

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,488

@400,484 (!KThEOwLwbU)
I feel like he was a male, who was tricked into believing that he was a female, who was attracted to women, and who assumed himself to be a lesbian. A male who was very uncomfortable with the traditional female roles (for good reason) and who was relieved when he realized that he wasn't trapped in those roles. Imagine being forced to wear makeup, skirts, and being stuck in your home, while your identical brother was out roughhousing and having fun.

(Edited 10 seconds later.)

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,490

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)

> Imagine being forced to wear makeup, skirts, and being stuck in your home

I, uh, occasionally have submissive bdsm fantasies about that.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 6 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,491

@400,485 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I cant tell you that. But what I can say is that the people who are supposed to be the public representation of the transwomen community, act like aggressive cis males. Those same men were all late transitioners, raised and socialized as men, mostly kept their penises, and are attracted to women. There definitely seems to be a connection

(Edited 43 seconds later.)

your mom joined in and replied with this 4.6 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,713

Wtf! Trolololol!

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,716

@400,491 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
The new generation of transgender women act much better.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,754

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
They might. I'd have to see it for myself.

Anonymous C replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,807

Walter, you might want to eighty-six your trolling plans.

I found this on the first page of /lgbt/.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,811

@previous (C)
lol I wonder which namefag did that? I'll bet that they wont admit to it.

Anonymous C replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,815

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Here's some of the replies.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,816

@previous (C)
So it was a failure? lol Did you make that post?

Anonymous C replied with this 4.6 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,825

He is some more replies.

Anonymous C double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,829

@previous (C)
3 more replies.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,832

@previous (C)
You made this post. Which namefag are you?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,913

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Catherine. Though I do not believe that Catherine is the poster of the thread.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,917

http://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/res/122010

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,920

@400,913 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Catherine outed you? lol

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,937

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
The OP is mad as fuck, and probably to4str.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,951

The thread is now gone. LOL
The OP is completely butthurt.

kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,954

@400,937 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Why do you suspect toastie?

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 4.6 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #400,957

@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
His signature rage was within the text.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 4.6 years ago, 4 days later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,643

Bumping for another threat of violence from transwoman.

http://tppfs.weebly.com/

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=168732319905391&set=a.168744033237553.29757.100003058722942&type=1&theater&notif_t=photo_comment

kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,645

Threats against author who wrote the article that made trans teacher kill herself.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ triple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,646

http://transabled.org/

Website for people who want to be disabled.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ quadruple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 30 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,651

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
lol Holy shit

Quote:
Written by Marie on Tuesday, February 6, 2007

I recently asked someone to draw comparisons between being transexual and being transabled. This someone has personal experience with both conditions. She kindly wrote the following entry.
Part 1. Introduction and About the Author

Sean asked me to write something talking about the similarities in what a transsexual person and a transabled person go through. In fact Sean even coined the word "transabled" having in mind its similarities with transsexualism.

Personally I am a transsexual. I had GRS (genital reassignment surgery) in October 2005 with a well-recognised surgeon in North America. I am also transabled: I have a desire to be moderately/severely deaf (as journaled in my blog ‘makemedeaf.blogspot.com’). At the time of this writing I haven’t achieved my TA goal.

I’m hoping to make the similarities between transabledism (which may be a new word) and transsexualism so that more people can understand the transabled person. I am a very strong proponent of personal liberty and the rights of an individual to do what they want with their body, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone nonconsenting.

Part 2. Definitions

A transsexual is a person that feels an incongruity between their genitals and their gender identity. A person’s gender identity is held in a person’s brain (as a part of "self"). Cisgendered (non-transsexual) individuals usually have a hard time understanding how something so fundamental such as one’s gender identity can be different from their genitals.

A transabled person is someone who desperately wants or needs to be disabled in some way. That’s taken straight from Sean’s glossary on transabled.org.

The transsexual and transabled person’s motivations are generally not sexual.

Part 3. Similarities

A transsexual feels that their body is different from the concept of self they have for theirself. That is to say that while they may outwardly appear to be female they actually are male. This is confusing for the transsexual and people around them since other people see a female and naturally assume that the person is female.

A transabled person is in a similar position. For example a person may have an identity of someone that is paralysed but is not actually paralysed. Any disability may be substituted in for paralysis such as blindness, amputee, deafness, ceberal palsy, AIDS, and so on.

In each case the problem at hand is the discongruity in self image from bodily reality.

Transbledism and transsexualism are often not well received by family members, society, and coworkers. They are both difficult for people who don’t experience them to understand. A quote from Karl A. Menninger illustrates what it’s like:

In my transabled friends I notice more things similar with transsexualism: sometimes there’s a "purging" of both disability-related things (for the transabled) and gendered clothing (for the transsexual) in an attempt to ignore the feelings. Also, there is a sense that over time untreated feelings get progressively worse. This indicates that it is not likely that they may be ignored for very long.

Not all transsexuals have genital surgery. Some are content to use therapy to address their dysphoria, some use HRT to manage it and still some live as the desired role (with or without HRT). I speculate: While I don’t directly know anyone transabled that doesn’t want surgery to achieve their desired disability there must be some that are content to pretend or use therapy to manage their feelings. Surgery is not everyone’s goal.
Part 4. Dissimilarities

Research indicates that there is a congenital component to transsexuality. Post-mortum brain studies of male-to-female transsexuals have shown that they are more structurally similar to that of women than that of a male identified genetic male. A hypothesis is that around the 8th week of pregnancy when there is a ‘bath’ of testosterone on the fetus insufficient testosterone is present to masculinise the brain.

To the best of my knowledge there is no research to support a congenital component for BIID/transabledism.

Part 5. Transabled Standards of Care?

Transsexuals have a widely recognised and followed Standard of Care that prescribes the exact steps that a person must go through to begin transition. For example the SOC guidelines suggest that a person should be in therapy for three months before starting hormone replacement therapy (which, in a male-to-female transsexual replaces testosterone with oestrogen). The transsexual needs a letter from their therapist verifying that they are a transsexual and a good candidate for HRT.

The Standards of Care also require a transsexual to undergo a "real life test" in their desired role prior to recommending genital surgery. This includes changing the name and living socially and at work/school as a member of their desired gender. In addition to the RLT a transsexual needs the "approval" from a Ph.D psychologist or psychiatrist as well as a letter from their therapist before they may have surgery.

As you can see there are very well prescribed guidelines for transsexuals. I can’t see any specific reason why there can’t be a similar Standards of Care for transabled/BIID sufferers. What would it look like? Certainly I would expect a real life test of some duration wherein a person lives as a disabled person socially and at work/school. I would expect that before any surgeon would lift a scalpel they would want to see that the person had extensive therapy on topic and that their therapist(s) agreed that surgery was a viable and recommended treatment.
Part 6. The End (and a little editorial)

I’m a very liberal person and believe that there should be nothing to stop a person from doing whatever they want to their own body as long as it doesn’t hurt or involve a nonconsenting adult.

For a pointed example: a transabled person that wishes or feels a need to be deaf should be able to make him or herself deaf without reprecussion from the law. That person being deaf hurts no one. However if they wanted to make absolutely sure they heard no external noise they would want to sever the auditory nerve. This is not without implications: if they were wise they would realise that the vestibular nerve (for balance) and the auditory nerve are very close in proximity to each other and are therefor hard to separate. A consenting surgeon — this means that a surgeon is free to object to doing this surgery — might not be able to separate out the auditory bits from the vestibular bits and so the person may lose vestibular functionality from their inner ear. Or they could do no research and go into it blindly (which is a whole other example!).

The point is that I, as a person that wants to be deaf, should be legally and ethically free to achieve that deafness however I want. If I want to involve another person (such as a surgeon) we would need to come to an arrangement where we both consent to the procedure. The surgeon might not sever the nerves unless I illustrated an understanding of what will happen if I lose vestibular nerve function. Incidentally the medical community calls what the surgeon might ask (in my example) informed consent.

In a short one sentence summary: transsexuals and transabled people are more similar than one might think and they both deserve medical/psychological treatment – surgical if necessary.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ quintuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 11 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,657

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Actual disabled person responds:

Pardon me for being the token outsider here, but I was interested and wanted to comment.
I have been a wheelchair-user since the age of 8 due to a congenital SCI. The reason why I wanted to comment was in response to two things in this article and the comments afterwards. I’ve never heard of transabledism, and while I applaud your efforts to raise the profile and gain understanding, this confuses me.

1) Marie mentions an example of a transabled condition: “For example a person may have an identity of someone that is paralysed,” which made me wonder – what exactly do people believe is the “identity” of someone who is paralyzed? While certain generalizations can be made about gender identities relating to the characteristics of owning certain genitals, the social roles played by such ownership, etc, people with paralysis are not such a homogeneous group – there is more that separates us than we have in common.

2) The point is repeatedly made that transabledism does not place any burden on society, and harms nobody… I have to take issue with this, given the idea of going to surgical methods to achieve true transability. Perhaps many forms will have no effect on anyone else – I can imagine that being deaf would not seriously harm anyone else, or learning disabled, for example. However, certain types of disability can and will place extra burden on social systems, resources and probably family and friends that wouldn’t have been there otherwise. Following this to the end result, if someone were to pay a surgeon to have their spine damaged at T12, that person would require regular physical therapy, medical visits, drugs, diagnostics, and medical equipment to sustain and protect their health. None of these would be optional in this event… and seem a really high price to pay (both physically and socially) for achieving the “TA goal.” All of these things are enormously expensive and are borne by either the individual themselves, the public health system, or private health insurance. Since most hospitals, clinics, doctors and nurses are government subsidized in some way (enormously in Canada and the UK), the cost to the government would be huge.

I do not mean to judge, I am just very confused at this prospect

kook !!32zdfdzi+ sextuple-posted this 4.6 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,754

@402,643 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
More threats from transpanthers.
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